RE: Volkswagen confirms ID.3 facelift for 2023
RE: Volkswagen confirms ID.3 facelift for 2023
Friday 2nd December 2022

Volkswagen confirms ID.3 facelift for 2023

Much needed software and quality improvements announced for EV update


For a car that was hailed by its maker as being as significant to the company as the Beetle and the Golf, the Volkswagen ID.3 had a challenging start to life. While the company championed its significance, the product itself was disappointing. Firstly, it failed to appear when it was scheduled to, with headlines such as ‘VW ID.3 software problems threaten summer launch’ prolific.

It never did fix the all of the software problems. The ID.3, and even the ID cars that followed it, was plagued by software issues that, to some extent, continue to this day. Then there was its quality. Within a few seconds of sitting in an ID.3 it became apparent that Volkswagen hadn’t spent a significant sum on its interior materials. It was as plush inside as a Siberian jail, with harsh materials throughout.

A midlife facelift couldn’t come fast enough, then. And it’s coming next year, less than three years after launch. In a nod to the problems, Imelda Labbé, Volkswagen Board Member for Sales, Marketing and After Sales said, “The design has matured, and we’ve upgraded the materials used in the interior. The needs of our customers are always front and centre for us. That’s why we listen carefully and focus on gearing our product portfolio to their requirements”.

Along with a boost to quality there’s also a bigger 12-inch infotainment screen that runs the latest software, which, we’re told, ‘improves system performance and is able to receive over-the-air updates’. There’s added functionality, too. Plug & Charge and the intelligent Electric Vehicle Route Planner aim to make ‘the charging experience in the new ID.3 even more straightforward and convenient’.

Also, Travel Assist with Swarm Data increases the scope of the ID.3's self-driving. Data from other Volkswagens that have driven on roads with, for example, no centre lane markings, is uploaded to the cloud and maps on how to drive the route can be downloaded by other cars when the on-board cameras have nothing to follow. There will also be Park Assist Plus, with a memory function that remembers repeat parking situations, such as parking on your drive. The car will recognise it's returned to a stored location and offer automatically to park for you.

Despite its many issues, Volkswagen has delivered more than 500,000 ID.3s to date. Currently it’s produced at the company’s Zwickau and Dresden plants in Germany, but manufacturing will be expanded to Wolfsburg from next year in order to meet demand. However, that doesn’t help with the ongoing semi-conductor shortage. Ordering begins in Germany from 1st December, but Volkswagen says that due to the shortages deliveries of the revised ID.3 won’t start until September 2023. The starting price in Germany is €43,995, but there’s no word yet on when cars will begin appearing in the UK or what the cost will be.


Author
Discussion

Bencolem

Original Poster:

1,191 posts

269 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
Wow, sketches, not even cgi. Does this make it a pre-reveal (somewhere in front of a tease but before a reveal)?

Macboy

784 posts

235 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
VW knew they needed to make these changes before the launch of the ID3 - the cost saving went too far and they've already had one round of interior facelift on the car - despite only being out for 2 years - with improved material quality, new infotainment screen and new seats. What hasn't been addressed is the woeful state of their software development and OTA updates. The new CEO has said that he is happy the software is now stable with version 3.4 but most owners have 2.3 or 2.4 (a dealer installed update that continues to brick cars) and new cars only have 3.1 or at best 3.2. The software is unbelievably poor - so buggy that owners don't even bother reporting faults some of which leave the car stranded, illegal to drive or substantially feature-reduced. VW openly admit that some features have never worked (timed charging for instance) and still don't after 2 years on sale.

VW aren't alone in having software issues - the Mustang EV has been the worst new car in the US in consumer research for the same reason - but it really is impossible to recommend any ID model until VW get a proper grip on the ongoing issues. The ID Buzz may be sexy and the facelifts may address the build and material related issues, but driving an ID on a daily basis is, for many owners, a game of warning-light bingo.

smilo996

3,864 posts

200 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
Like it. "Cuter" and more distinctive.
Given the immense pivot that petrol car makers have had to make, they are not always going to get it right first. Musk spent a decade farting about in the shadows and it took Merc's investment to kick start them into making any half decent cars, even though they all look crap.
This time however they need to get it "Golf" spot on.

Silvanus

6,917 posts

53 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
The MG4 must have taken potentially sales from VW. MGs market share has increased massively and VWs has dropped slightly. I've not driven either cars but the MG is a sharper looking car, especially top spec versions. The VW is a tall dumpy generic looking thing.


Largechris

2,019 posts

121 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
It's got a bigger screen!

I'm all in on this!

Hairymonster

1,678 posts

135 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
It looks like a fat green frog

Macboy

784 posts

235 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
Silvanus said:
The MG4 must have taken potentially sales from VW. MGs market share has increased massively and VWs has dropped slightly. I've not driven either cars but the MG is a sharper looking car, especially top spec versions. The VW is a tall dumpy generic looking thing.

If you haven't you need to look at the MG in the metal - it's even worse build inside than the ID - the demo I drove had a door handle missing (it had dropped off and they were waiting for a replacment). It drives OK but it does nothing to alter Chinese-EV prejudice. It's a retirees dream car.

Silvanus

6,917 posts

53 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
Macboy said:
Silvanus said:
The MG4 must have taken potentially sales from VW. MGs market share has increased massively and VWs has dropped slightly. I've not driven either cars but the MG is a sharper looking car, especially top spec versions. The VW is a tall dumpy generic looking thing.

If you haven't you need to look at the MG in the metal - it's even worse build inside than the ID - the demo I drove had a door handle missing (it had dropped off and they were waiting for a replacment). It drives OK but it does nothing to alter Chinese-EV prejudice. It's a retirees dream car.
I've not sat inside either, just given them the once over in the Waitress car park. The sales numbers are certainly shooting up for MG so someone is buying them.

rewild

3,367 posts

169 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
They seem to understand the issues with the current one, at least. Interior quality and infotainment (you know, the bits you primarily interact with having spent £40k+ of your hard-earned on a new car, only to discover it is completely unusable and all touchpoints have been constructed from grade-B yogurt pots).

Needs a bit more shove too, just another second or so to 60 would do it.

Fingers crossed.

ch37

10,642 posts

251 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
It's a sign of VW/German dominance in the UK market that despite it looking like a fridge, having an interior from a 90s Renault and being plagued with issues, it still seems to be one of the most ubiquitous electric cars on our roads. I found a stat that in terms of year on year increase, VW are leading the way.

Dombilano

1,463 posts

85 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
Silvanus said:
The MG4 must have taken potentially sales from VW. MGs market share has increased massively and VWs has dropped slightly. I've not driven either cars but the MG is a sharper looking car, especially top spec versions. The VW is a tall dumpy generic looking thing.

The MG looks badly proportioned and as sharp as rhubarb. Subjectively.

Silvanus

6,917 posts

53 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
Dombilano said:
Silvanus said:
The MG4 must have taken potentially sales from VW. MGs market share has increased massively and VWs has dropped slightly. I've not driven either cars but the MG is a sharper looking car, especially top spec versions. The VW is a tall dumpy generic looking thing.

The MG looks badly proportioned and as sharp as rhubarb. Subjectively.
I said sharper, rather than sharp, in comparison to the ID3 which is a dumpy looking thing

Darnoc95

517 posts

60 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
It certainly looks better but still not a patch on its sibling the Cupra Born!

JD

3,149 posts

258 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
Article said:
Despite its many issues, Volkswagen has delivered more than 500,000 ID.3s to date.
No it hasn’t - 500k ID vehicles total (there’s a 3,4,5 &6)


ch37 said:
It's a sign of VW/German dominance in the UK market that despite it looking like a fridge, having an interior from a 90s Renault and being plagued with issues, it still seems to be one of the most ubiquitous electric cars on our roads. I found a stat that in terms of year on year increase, VW are leading the way.
That’s your subjective view though, VW are not even remotely close to the top selling ev brand in the country, and the id3 is not their top seller! Their Ev sales are also heading down in the UK this year.

dapprman

2,788 posts

297 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
I do wonder if VAG sponsored Cyberpunk 2077 to include the ID3 in the game ...


With the outside, maybe not ....

Though arguably it has more character.

kambites

71,589 posts

251 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
JD said:
Their Ev sales are also heading down in the UK this year.
Do you have figures to back that up? It would be a bit of a shock given their trajectory over the last few years! Or do you mean their share of the EV market rather than absolute numbers?

WonkeyDonkey

2,591 posts

133 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
It looks like a C1/Aygo that melted in the sun.

ChrisCh86

1,132 posts

74 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
Still wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.

The ID brand, as far as I'm concerned, is junk. Poorly executed design, poor software, poor ergonomics, poor range, poor quality and high price.
The ID Buzz might be 'cool' but will still suffer from the same issues.



Wake me up when they're onto version 3, when the quality has improved. Then it might be of interest to me.

Kawasicki

14,404 posts

265 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
Just to add a little balance, my friend drives his ID3 every day and raves about it... he says it's easy to drive, quiet, comfortable and cheap to run. I asked him about the software and he said that he doesn't really notice it... he just drives the car.

ChocolateFrog

34,954 posts

203 months

Friday 2nd December 2022
quotequote all
It was as plush inside as a Siberian jail, with harsh materials throughout.

Utter crap and said without a hint of irony.


Certainly not worth the headline figures but for the price we pay per month it's essentially insurance, servicing, tax and tyres with a free car thrown in and that's for a higher spec car with the matrix headlights.

I hear the monthlies are a lot more now.