How far are we from having military robots to fight wars?
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With the current Ukraine situation, and tech supremacy being a key factor in deciding outcomes - how far are we from having military robots actually doing the fighting?
The likes of Boston Dynamics have made massive leaps in robotics in recent years, and I suspect as the public we only get to see a watered down version of what they can really do.
So when will we have from military robots undertaking the combat rather than humans?
The likes of Boston Dynamics have made massive leaps in robotics in recent years, and I suspect as the public we only get to see a watered down version of what they can really do.
So when will we have from military robots undertaking the combat rather than humans?
We already do - drones have replaced fighter jets in some use cases. There may be a pilot sat somewhere flying it in many cases, but even so...
I'm not sure we'll have robot armies going to war any time soon - that's just a pissing contest of who can afford the most robots ultimately, but there are already systems that autonomously do stuff on the battlefield especially in defensive roles, and we are only going to see more of that I'm sure.
I'm not sure we'll have robot armies going to war any time soon - that's just a pissing contest of who can afford the most robots ultimately, but there are already systems that autonomously do stuff on the battlefield especially in defensive roles, and we are only going to see more of that I'm sure.
Motorman74 said:
We already do - drones have replaced fighter jets in some use cases. There may be a pilot sat somewhere flying it in many cases, but even so...
I'm not sure we'll have robot armies going to war any time soon - that's just a pissing contest of who can afford the most robots ultimately, but there are already systems that autonomously do stuff on the battlefield especially in defensive roles, and we are only going to see more of that I'm sure.
I think you’re probably right, but with the AI advances in the last couple of weeks with the release of the Open AI application that’s doing amazing things, maybe it’s the hardware cost that could be the limiting factor. I'm not sure we'll have robot armies going to war any time soon - that's just a pissing contest of who can afford the most robots ultimately, but there are already systems that autonomously do stuff on the battlefield especially in defensive roles, and we are only going to see more of that I'm sure.
Autonomous cars are starting to become a reality. Limited so far.
My car has systems I don’t like. I think they are not up to it yet, even unfit for purpose to a certain degree. The lane monitoring in particular. The handbook has 4 pages of situations where it might make erroneous decisions. I have felt some. Roadside furniture, pedestrians on pavements ( mInly on bends) trigger it.
The cameras/sensors feed in data but the system is not intelligent enough to analyse it well enough. Possibly deliberate as a play safe attitude. Better to act rather than not?
Military use could use AI up to a point. Drone tech for specific targets. Cruise missiles use terrain following systems.
My car has systems I don’t like. I think they are not up to it yet, even unfit for purpose to a certain degree. The lane monitoring in particular. The handbook has 4 pages of situations where it might make erroneous decisions. I have felt some. Roadside furniture, pedestrians on pavements ( mInly on bends) trigger it.
The cameras/sensors feed in data but the system is not intelligent enough to analyse it well enough. Possibly deliberate as a play safe attitude. Better to act rather than not?
Military use could use AI up to a point. Drone tech for specific targets. Cruise missiles use terrain following systems.
sospan said:
Autonomous cars are starting to become a reality. Limited so far.
My car has systems I don’t like. I think they are not up to it yet, even unfit for purpose to a certain degree. The lane monitoring in particular. The handbook has 4 pages of situations where it might make erroneous decisions. I have felt some. Roadside furniture, pedestrians on pavements ( mInly on bends) trigger it.
The cameras/sensors feed in data but the system is not intelligent enough to analyse it well enough. Possibly deliberate as a play safe attitude. Better to act rather than not?
Military use could use AI up to a point. Drone tech for specific targets. Cruise missiles use terrain following systems.
Autonomous cars are at least twenty to thirty years away. Elon has seen to that with his reliance on crap tech My car has systems I don’t like. I think they are not up to it yet, even unfit for purpose to a certain degree. The lane monitoring in particular. The handbook has 4 pages of situations where it might make erroneous decisions. I have felt some. Roadside furniture, pedestrians on pavements ( mInly on bends) trigger it.
The cameras/sensors feed in data but the system is not intelligent enough to analyse it well enough. Possibly deliberate as a play safe attitude. Better to act rather than not?
Military use could use AI up to a point. Drone tech for specific targets. Cruise missiles use terrain following systems.
shouldbworking said:
A long long long way, unless we start getting into conflicts with nations that are much less risk-averse than us and are able to demonstrate that the risks involved adopting it at this point are justifiable
Closer than you think.https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-deve...
NMNeil said:
shouldbworking said:
A long long long way, unless we start getting into conflicts with nations that are much less risk-averse than us and are able to demonstrate that the risks involved adopting it at this point are justifiable
Closer than you think.https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-deve...
I was thinking about this, it can't be far off.
Robot dogs etc. Check out Black Mirror : Metalhead on Netflix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xejjA2AFO5I
Robot dogs etc. Check out Black Mirror : Metalhead on Netflix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xejjA2AFO5I
TheLurker said:
This. The main challenge is not technical capability, but the ethical implications which come with allowing a computer to kill someone.
I understand the principle, but that assumes everyone plays by the same set of rules. There are unscrupulous regimes with vast resources that could make it happen - or even a tech billionaire that goes rogue like some sort of Bond villain?? In that event it would fall on the scientific communities to gatekeep the ethical questions. The Samsung SGR-A1 is an autonomous sentry gun that will attack any target it detects unless it can recognise the voice and requested passcode. They are deployed in the De-Militarised Zone (DMZ) between South and North Korea.
"The Samsung SGR-A1 presumes any person entering the DMZ is an enemy and, upon detection, will attempt to identify the target through voice recognition. If a proper access code is not provided within a short amount of time, the system can choose between sounding an alarm, firing rubber bullets or engaging the target with other weapons. The system can also be overridden by an operator, who can also communicate via built-in microphone and audio system. "
"The Samsung SGR-A1 presumes any person entering the DMZ is an enemy and, upon detection, will attempt to identify the target through voice recognition. If a proper access code is not provided within a short amount of time, the system can choose between sounding an alarm, firing rubber bullets or engaging the target with other weapons. The system can also be overridden by an operator, who can also communicate via built-in microphone and audio system. "
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