How do you tell if someone is selling cars/vans as a dealer
How do you tell if someone is selling cars/vans as a dealer
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johneturbo

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113 posts

180 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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So I'm looking at buying a van seen one on Ebay they have a few on their listings so are they a trader? If so do I have more of a comeback rather than buying privately
what determines they are just a private seller?

Jon556

431 posts

54 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Google their phone number (assuming it’s not protected under the ad) if a string of previous sales pop up, there you go.

When you phone just ask for ‘the van’ if they say “which one?” That’s a red flag.

Look on other platforms, such as gumtree, eBay etc. and search for similar vehicles in stock.


Truckosaurus

13,158 posts

312 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Also, is the vehicle registered in their name and how long have they owned it.

johneturbo

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113 posts

180 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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I did an MOT/Tax check, says untaxed which I believe you can only do if you are a "trader" otherwise it needs to be SORN, I also just noticed the trade plates in the windscreen!

I mean it's a nice van, 2019 low miles very clean, and could be a great van, but if I'm paying a higher "dealer price" I'd also like the privilege of, I think 3 months? warranty

johneturbo

Original Poster:

113 posts

180 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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They do have 9 other vans on their listings, but no forecourt as such

Trevor555

5,365 posts

112 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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johneturbo said:
So I'm looking at buying a van seen one on Ebay they have a few on their listings so are they a trader? If so do I have more of a comeback rather than buying privately
what determines they are just a private seller?
Print off the advert for the van you're buying.

Print off all the other adverts as well, and keep doing so for a few weeks.

Then if you did happen to be asked to prove they're a dealer, that's how you'd do it.

But do you really want to buy off a seller like this?

I wouldn't.

Trying to get any recourse against people like that would be a very long, difficult, frustrating path, with most just disappearing, and getting a different mobile phone/address to start all over again.

My advice, pay more to buy from an established dealer, or a genuine private seller.

Jordie Barretts sock

6,018 posts

47 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Why do you want to check if you have some come back as the most important factor?

Surely if it's the van you want at a price you want and you are happy with it, that's the point?

Everyone is always looking for an angle these days.

If you're fussy about who you purchase from, what are you doing looking on ebay?

twing

5,753 posts

159 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Also if you're buying it for business use you don't have CRA's anyway so very little in the way of comeback regardless.

0ddball

915 posts

167 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Jordie Barretts sock said:
Why do you want to check if you have some come back as the most important factor?

Surely if it's the van you want at a price you want and you are happy with it, that's the point?

Everyone is always looking for an angle these days.

If you're fussy about who you purchase from, what are you doing looking on ebay?
I'll take "things a dodgy backstreet trader would say" for $200.

Jordie Barretts sock

6,018 posts

47 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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What?

Old Merc

3,805 posts

195 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Why are you worried about buying from a trader? Plenty of decent traders selling good cars at reasonable prices. Buy private, find the car is duff, you have zero comeback.
Buy from a trader you will have a comeback. They have to make a profit to stay in business. Research the business, if they have been trading at the same site for many years they must be doing something right.
Most traders will sell/ or include a mechanical breakdown insurance policy. Others may have there own warranty cover. All this should be confirmed when you do the deal. Make sure it’s all clear and in writing.




johneturbo

Original Poster:

113 posts

180 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Jordie Barretts sock said:
Why do you want to check if you have some come back as the most important factor?

Surely if it's the van you want at a price you want and you are happy with it, that's the point?

Everyone is always looking for an angle these days.

If you're fussy about who you purchase from, what are you doing looking on eBay?
There aren't that many good vans about at the moment so have had to look on eBay as well as auto trader etc.

I'm not looking for an angle, If the van is as good as it seems then happy days but if the gearbox fails it would be nice to know I have more of a comeback than if I bought privately at a lower price that's all.

As I said supply is low with vans at the moment.

tim0409

5,884 posts

187 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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twing said:
Also if you're buying it for business use you don't have CRA's anyway so very little in the way of comeback regardless.
It’s not correct to say that if the OP is a business he has little in the way of comeback due to the CRA not offering protection to B2B contracts. He will still be protected by other legislation.

QJumper

3,238 posts

54 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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twing said:
Also if you're buying it for business use you don't have CRA's anyway so very little in the way of comeback regardless.
Which would make for a fun dispute, with the buyer arguing the seller was a business, and the seller arguing the buyer was a business.

paintman

7,860 posts

218 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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If they are selling a number of vans then they might find it difficult to satisfy a court - which is where it could finish up if the van goes wrong - that they aren't a trader.

But the simplest answer is to ring them and ask.

Nickp82

3,900 posts

121 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Is the trader even denying they are such? Their adverts may not make it clear but that doesn’t mean they’re a crook.

twing

5,753 posts

159 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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QJumper said:
Which would make for a fun dispute, with the buyer arguing the seller was a business, and the seller arguing the buyer was a business.
Not when every single piece of paper signed by the buyer says it’s a B2B sale. If the seller’s a mug he won’t do this and the buyer might have a result after a year’s worth of fighting

Matt_E_Mulsion

1,746 posts

93 months

Sunday 11th December 2022
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Nickp82 said:
Is the trader even denying they are such? Their adverts may not make it clear but that doesn’t mean they’re a crook.
This is one of the first questions that needs an answer.

GranpaB

19,172 posts

64 months

Monday 12th December 2022
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Plus there's nothing to stop said dealer pulling the plug and starting up again under a different name.