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vinnie07

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152 posts

44 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Good evening folks, new member here with a question if I may:

I'm looking to purchase a new car that is fairly fun to drive and sporty looking, I have a budget of around 16k and would happily buy privately if required.

I do like the Audi TT S-Line & Mazda MX-5 RF especially but having lost a fair chunk on my SLK during my ownership due to depreciation I would like to minimise that a little with my next car. Having previously owned a vx220 it is an attractive option again due to not suffering from the same depreciation as most cars do. I cannot forget what a nightmare it was to deal with day to day though, especially during winter time.
If went with the VX it would be to possibly look at purchasing a shed to drive next winter just unsure of the true cost of running two cars.

Does anyone have any other cars that are less likely to be hit with depreciation to the extent my SLK has been?
I was thinking possibly a Honda S2000 but I wasn't sure what the average mpg would be on a car like that? I'm not looking for something too much thirstier than my current car.

Could anyone else suggest any other car options that could possibly fit the bill and be worth looking at that I may not of considered?

Sorry about the long first message and thank you for reading smile


Super Sonic

13,795 posts

82 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Civic type R

Mr Tidy

30,839 posts

155 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Maybe a BMW Z4, or possibly a Nissan 370Z although they seem a bit thirsty.

samoht

7,154 posts

174 months

Tuesday 20th December 2022
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Of the cars you mention I'd expect the TT to be no better to drive or at holding its value than the SLK, so I wouldn't get that. The MX-5 or S2000 sound good options, albeit a current-gen ND Mazda will still be depreciating somewhat.

You don't say how old your SLK was or how much it depreciated by over how long an ownership, so it's hard to know what 'less depreciation' would be. Generally older and sportier cars will depreciate less though (although with age comes higher maintenance).

You also don't say which your current car is or what MPG you're getting, so hard to know what the benchmark is there.

In terms of options, the one other car that stands out as worth considering would be the third-gen Toyota MR-2. Like the S2k it's a ~20 year old Japanese roadster, like the VX220 it weighs under a tonne, but is a bit more civilised. It's light so economy is good, it's old and sporting so it won't really depreciate, and it's a Toyota so it's moderately reliable, although not perfect.

The other suggestion would be a Boxster, you can get a 987.2 2.9 for the budget which means you avoid the common expensive failures of the earlier engines.

Belle427

11,743 posts

261 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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A nice S2000 would suit but they are the kind of car you don't really get excited about until you red line it which may not help with fuel economy.
As suggested a Boxster is another contender but if it were me I'd try to get back into a VX220 if I could afford to run a reliable shed alongside it.

vinnie07

Original Poster:

152 posts

44 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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The forum will finally let me post replies, I'm not sure if your supposed to reply individually or as a whole so here goes:

The Z4 is a car I have always admired, has the depreciation on these finally calmed down? What particular generation and spec were you thinking?

I owned the SLK for 6 years, it was fairly new when I purchased so depreciation is to be expected would just like to minimise it this time around if possible before a potential switch to electric in a few years. Anything 30+ mpg for general driving would be great.

I do really like the S2000, does anyone have any real world experience of the mpg you can get out of these things driving day to day?

Have you previously owned a vx220 as well Belle? It was a truly enjoyable car to own. Have you run a cheap run around for daily use before? Did it turn out to be an expensive mistake doing this?

The Boxster 987 is an interesting choice that id not considered, should these cars no longer drop in value furthermore? Looking on auto trader stats the mpg doesn't look bad for a Porsche.

Thanks again everyone for your input smile

ChrisH72

3,020 posts

80 months

Wednesday 21st December 2022
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I think both the Audi and Mazda are decent choices. For 16k you'd be looking at a 2015 TT S line 2.0 or a 2017 RF. Both are old enough to have lost quite a bit of value but young enough to be reliable and cheap to run.

I honestly believe that if you spent 16k on an S2000 or a Boxstet you'll spend more in maintenance and running costs than the others would lose in depreciation. A lot depends on how you'll use the car though.

Another similar option is a GT86, unless it has to be convertible.

georgeyboy12345

4,562 posts

63 months

Thursday 22nd December 2022
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Stretch the budget a bit and do a bit of haggling and you can get in a good Porsche Boxster 987 like this
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207147...


If you fancy an S2000, why not try an Integra Type R? Should be depreciation-free and marginally better mpg
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206287...


Fiat 124 Spider
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211181...

this one has had quite a bit of work done on it, bet it's fun!
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211151...


Or go for the real deal with this ND Mazda MX-5 2.0 Skyactiv-G Recaro edition that looks like it's had the BBR Super 200 upgrade
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209189...


Here's a low mileage S2 Lotus Elise. Hasn't been driven for a few years so could be a bit troublesome, plus I wouldn't like to run it in the winter either
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206307...


Subaru BRZ - these are usually a bit cheaper than the equivalent Toyota GT86s
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211131...



Flumpo

4,024 posts

101 months

Thursday 22nd December 2022
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I see you have said you might not want something as unpractical as the vx220 again.

Seems as some practicality is appealing and you don’t mind a Vauxhall badge, how about one of these:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211231...

Also you could stick your remaining £6k in the bank and take depreciation out of your worries?

Left of field and a Vauxhall, I’m prepared for the incoming hate!

ZX10R NIN

30,402 posts

153 months

Thursday 22nd December 2022
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vinnie07 said:
Good evening folks, new member here with a question if I may:

I'm looking to purchase a new car that is fairly fun to drive and sporty looking, I have a budget of around 16k and would happily buy privately if required.

I do like the Audi TT S-Line & Mazda MX-5 RF especially but having lost a fair chunk on my SLK during my ownership due to depreciation I would like to minimise that a little with my next car. Having previously owned a vx220 it is an attractive option again due to not suffering from the same depreciation as most cars do. I cannot forget what a nightmare it was to deal with day to day though, especially during winter time.
If went with the VX it would be to possibly look at purchasing a shed to drive next winter just unsure of the true cost of running two cars.

Does anyone have any other cars that are less likely to be hit with depreciation to the extent my SLK has been?
I was thinking possibly a Honda S2000 but I wasn't sure what the average mpg would be on a car like that? I'm not looking for something too much thirstier than my current car.

Could anyone else suggest any other car options that could possibly fit the bill and be worth looking at that I may not of considered?

Sorry about the long first message and thank you for reading smile
If you want a car that'll depreciate at a steady rate then look for the halo (or in the case of the Porsche the one with the smallest bork factor) model.

Z4M these do have some bork factor so do your checks:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202107215...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203294...

Z4 35is will see slower depreciation than the rest of the range:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208198...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211141...

35i M Sport:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211221...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210170...

With the Boxster the 2.9 is the pick but you may need a slight budget stretch:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210311...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202111229...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208088...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211101...

TT wise the RS is the one to go for & whilst not the most dynamic steer that 5 pot does make you smile:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202204074...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202212162...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211211...

Slightly leftfield is the Abarth 124 these have really leveled (mainly because they've stopped making them) off:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211221...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202212142...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211221...

The 370 Nismo is the other alternate but you'll have a choice of one as they really haven't dropped in a while:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202212152...

vinnie07

Original Poster:

152 posts

44 months

Thursday 22nd December 2022
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ChrisH72 said:
I think both the Audi and Mazda are decent choices. For 16k you'd be looking at a 2015 TT S line 2.0 or a 2017 RF. Both are old enough to have lost quite a bit of value but young enough to be reliable and cheap to run.

I honestly believe that if you spent 16k on an S2000 or a Boxstet you'll spend more in maintenance and running costs than the others would lose in depreciation. A lot depends on how you'll use the car though.

Another similar option is a GT86, unless it has to be convertible.
They are the exact models I was looking at, having previously owned a Celica I do like the GT86 too just feel all three particularly the Mazda have plenty more to drop? I do see your point in running costs though

vinnie07

Original Poster:

152 posts

44 months

Thursday 22nd December 2022
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georgeyboy12345 said:
Stretch the budget a bit and do a bit of haggling and you can get in a good Porsche Boxster 987 like this
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207147...


If you fancy an S2000, why not try an Integra Type R? Should be depreciation-free and marginally better mpg
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206287...


Fiat 124 Spider
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211181...

this one has had quite a bit of work done on it, bet it's fun!
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211151...


Or go for the real deal with this ND Mazda MX-5 2.0 Skyactiv-G Recaro edition that looks like it's had the BBR Super 200 upgrade
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209189...


Here's a low mileage S2 Lotus Elise. Hasn't been driven for a few years so could be a bit troublesome, plus I wouldn't like to run it in the winter either
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206307...


Subaru BRZ - these are usually a bit cheaper than the equivalent Toyota GT86s
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211131...
Cheers George boy the 987 is a very interesting choice I had not considered prior to this post (actually thought it would be way out of budget too) Is it a car that is expected to not lose a lot of money in the coming years? Does anyone have any previous experience with them with regards to real world day to day MPG I could expect?

Wouldn't the 2 litre MX-5 lose a lot of money? I find it alarming when I look how cheap the previous generation of MX-5's sell for now that is a major thing that puts me off them losing so much just to own one.

vinnie07

Original Poster:

152 posts

44 months

Thursday 22nd December 2022
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ZX10R NIN said:
If you want a car that'll depreciate at a steady rate then look for the halo (or in the case of the Porsche the one with the smallest bork factor) model.

Z4M these do have some bork factor so do your checks:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202107215...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203294...

Z4 35is will see slower depreciation than the rest of the range:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208198...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211141...

35i M Sport:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211221...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210170...

With the Boxster the 2.9 is the pick but you may need a slight budget stretch:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210311...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202111229...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208088...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211101...

TT wise the RS is the one to go for & whilst not the most dynamic steer that 5 pot does make you smile:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202204074...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202212162...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211211...

Slightly leftfield is the Abarth 124 these have really leveled (mainly because they've stopped making them) off:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211221...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202212142...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211221...

The 370 Nismo is the other alternate but you'll have a choice of one as they really haven't dropped in a while:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202212152...
Great suggestions there, I love the 370Z i just suspect it would cost a fortune to run daily in the current climate of high fuel prices.
The Z4's are a car I have always loved and considered purchasing a few times. What particular generation/model would be the most depreciation proof?
Regarding the TT may I ask, would the MK2 gen RS be the better car as opposed to the latest S-Line.

Thanks everyone for your input, it has given me so many more options I had not even considered. The 987 is a very interesting one I am now researching smile

georgeyboy12345

4,562 posts

63 months

Thursday 22nd December 2022
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vinnie07 said:
Cheers George boy the 987 is a very interesting choice I had not considered prior to this post (actually thought it would be way out of budget too) Is it a car that is expected to not lose a lot of money in the coming years? Does anyone have any previous experience with them with regards to real world day to day MPG I could expect?

Wouldn't the 2 litre MX-5 lose a lot of money? I find it alarming when I look how cheap the previous generation of MX-5's sell for now that is a major thing that puts me off them losing so much just to own one.
I can't predict the future, but I reckon they won't lose much as they are part of a dying breed of naturally aspirated, characterful engined, manual, light sports cars that are not really being built any more. The 2.9s get about 30 mpg. Go for a post 2009 model, they had fewer issues than the earlier ones.

MX-5's could lose a bit of money to be fair, it depends how popular they are and how many they sell.

georgeyboy12345

4,562 posts

63 months

Thursday 22nd December 2022
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georgeyboy12345 said:
vinnie07 said:
Cheers George boy the 987 is a very interesting choice I had not considered prior to this post (actually thought it would be way out of budget too) Is it a car that is expected to not lose a lot of money in the coming years? Does anyone have any previous experience with them with regards to real world day to day MPG I could expect?

Wouldn't the 2 litre MX-5 lose a lot of money? I find it alarming when I look how cheap the previous generation of MX-5's sell for now that is a major thing that puts me off them losing so much just to own one.
I can't predict the future, but I reckon they won't lose much as they are part of a dying breed of naturally aspirated, characterful engined, manual, light sports cars that are not really being built any more. The 2.9s get about 30 mpg. Go for a post 2009 model, they had fewer issues than the earlier ones.

MX-5's could lose a bit of money to be fair, it depends how popular they are and how many they sell.
There are also older Porsches within budget, that won't depreciate at all, but are not so great on fuel economy. Might cost you a bit more in repairs too. 968's will manage just over 20 mpg and 944's just under.

Porsche 968
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202106294...

Cabriolet
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211292...


944 S2 3.0
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210261...

Cabriolet
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205055...


You could also get an early 996 911

Carrera 2 Cabriolet 3.4
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208208...

Targa 3.6
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207027...

Carrera 4 Cabriolet 3.6
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208168...

mpg-wise you'll be looking around 25-ish mpg



Ash_

5,965 posts

218 months

Friday 23rd December 2022
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I owned my VX220 for 10.5 years, and about 9 of those as a second car, as you say, living with them day-to-day is a PITA.
My daily at the time ranged from a old Mk1 Focus, then a Mondeo ST Diesel, and finally an Audi A3 diesel. The cost of running 2 cars can be a pain too though. Twice as much insurance, tax, MOT etc, etc. Consumables aren't a consideration as you'd be running one of the cars anyway, so I never considered the cost of fuel, tyres, or other consumables as an additional cost.

I sold mine when I went away for a couple of years and when I got back I intended to by a daily and a dedicated track day car (I did loads of track days in the VX, which is where it really does come alive). But after a bad purchase I chopped both in and bought a Cayman, best of both worlds really, great fun, quick, handles very well (not as well as the VX though) and I can use it daily and on track.

Running two cars isn't a pain, just a little more expensive (maybe £1k-£1.5k per year, depending on a few factors). If you do want just one car to do it all, then the best Cayman or Boxster you can get for your budget will be a good shout.

vinnie07

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152 posts

44 months

Friday 23rd December 2022
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georgeyboy12345 said:
There are also older Porsches within budget, that won't depreciate at all, but are not so great on fuel economy. Might cost you a bit more in repairs too. 968's will manage just over 20 mpg and 944's just under.

Porsche 968
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202106294...

Cabriolet
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211292...


944 S2 3.0
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202210261...

Cabriolet
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205055...


You could also get an early 996 911

Carrera 2 Cabriolet 3.4
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208208...

Targa 3.6
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207027...

Carrera 4 Cabriolet 3.6
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208168...

mpg-wise you'll be looking around 25-ish mpg
It's good to know the Boxster 2.9 should be fairly secure on not deprecating highly in the coming years. I noticed the face lift was in 09 so that definitely seems the one to aim for if I could get a decent example within budget.
I love the other suggestion's partically the Carrera just with my monthly mileage the mpg return would be too high for me ideally

vinnie07

Original Poster:

152 posts

44 months

Friday 23rd December 2022
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Ash_ said:
I owned my VX220 for 10.5 years, and about 9 of those as a second car, as you say, living with them day-to-day is a PITA.
My daily at the time ranged from a old Mk1 Focus, then a Mondeo ST Diesel, and finally an Audi A3 diesel. The cost of running 2 cars can be a pain too though. Twice as much insurance, tax, MOT etc, etc. Consumables aren't a consideration as you'd be running one of the cars anyway, so I never considered the cost of fuel, tyres, or other consumables as an additional cost.

I sold mine when I went away for a couple of years and when I got back I intended to by a daily and a dedicated track day car (I did loads of track days in the VX, which is where it really does come alive). But after a bad purchase I chopped both in and bought a Cayman, best of both worlds really, great fun, quick, handles very well (not as well as the VX though) and I can use it daily and on track.

Running two cars isn't a pain, just a little more expensive (maybe £1k-£1.5k per year, depending on a few factors). If you do want just one car to do it all, then the best Cayman or Boxster you can get for your budget will be a good shout.
Cheers for your reply Ash. I know you ca sympathise only too well what they are like as a daily driver having owned one yourself. What went wrong with your last VX if you don't mind my asking? I never had any issues with mine.
Do you think the Cayman should hold its value as well as the Boxster?

ZX10R NIN

30,402 posts

153 months

Friday 23rd December 2022
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vinnie07 said:
Great suggestions there, I love the 370Z i just suspect it would cost a fortune to run daily in the current climate of high fuel prices.
The Z4's are a car I have always loved and considered purchasing a few times. What particular generation/model would be the most depreciation proof?
Regarding the TT may I ask, would the MK2 gen RS be the better car as opposed to the latest S-Line.

Thanks everyone for your input, it has given me so many more options I had not even considered. The 987 is a very interesting one I am now researching smile
The latest S Line will be a nicer place to be than the RS but the RS will be that bit more special, it'll cost more to run (fuel/maintenance) but it'll depreciate less, it'll depend on your annual mileage as to which way the balance will fall.

If the 370 is going to be to juicy maybe the Boxster isn't the pick N/A engines naturally drink a bit more than their boosted brethren.

Z4 wise the ones I listed are the ones to look at, for daily duties I'd go for the 35i.

ChrisH72

3,020 posts

80 months

Friday 23rd December 2022
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I've always thought the best way to avoid depreciation is to spend less in the first place.

If you buy a shed for 1k it can't lose much.

I think it's best to get the car you want and not worry too much about its possible value. Years ago I bought a fairly cheap BMW thinking it'd hold its money. Not only was it the worst depreciation I've had but it cost a bomb to run as well.