Advice on How to Use This Junction...
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I've used this roundabout for years and always been unsure of one situation that I very very occasionally find myself in. It seems other road users also don't really know; there doesn't seem to be any consistent way that this lane/exit is used.
So, I am in the blue lane, I want to exit the junction into the blue lane. Am I in the correct lane to do so?
Often, people will sit in the green lane, and exit onto the blue lane. Causing those drivers queueing next to them to feel they've been cut-up. I understand their thought process in some respect, as if they are in the green lane and exit into the green lane... they will be going back from whence they came.
On the other hand (and probably why I feel the blue-blue is the correct lane discipline) the road markings are not contoured for exiting this green lane, onto the blue lane - the cars who do it this way have to cross the hatchings, there is no other way to do it.
Unless, the blue lane should in-fact be exiting far left onto the red lane; this would let the green lane swing wide and exit onto the blue lane.
No clear road markings although I'm sure there is a rule of the road that should be applied.
Streetview for reference; https://www.google.com/maps/@50.7196379,-3.5285587...
Hopefully that makes sense.
So, I am in the blue lane, I want to exit the junction into the blue lane. Am I in the correct lane to do so?
Often, people will sit in the green lane, and exit onto the blue lane. Causing those drivers queueing next to them to feel they've been cut-up. I understand their thought process in some respect, as if they are in the green lane and exit into the green lane... they will be going back from whence they came.
On the other hand (and probably why I feel the blue-blue is the correct lane discipline) the road markings are not contoured for exiting this green lane, onto the blue lane - the cars who do it this way have to cross the hatchings, there is no other way to do it.
Unless, the blue lane should in-fact be exiting far left onto the red lane; this would let the green lane swing wide and exit onto the blue lane.
No clear road markings although I'm sure there is a rule of the road that should be applied.
Streetview for reference; https://www.google.com/maps/@50.7196379,-3.5285587...
Hopefully that makes sense.
Edited by ColdoRS on Wednesday 21st December 21:12
No you are in the wrong lane and people will see you as queue jumping. The general way of a roundabout is no one really is expected to go all the way round... Look at your typical roundabout sign and it will have a gap in the bottom right quadrant. This not a roundabout and its not a simple junction either... However on the approach its three lanes - left fiorward, middle forward and right, and right right. You enter the junction and then its both lanes right. then through the junction its left left and right forward. this is whats causing the feeling of being cut up. your using the left lane to pass traffic going right, and forward.
my take on this would as below...
my take on this would as below...
ruggedscotty said:
No you are in the wrong lane and people will see you as queue jumping. The general way of a roundabout is no one really is expected to go all the way round... Look at your typical roundabout sign and it will have a gap in the bottom right quadrant. This not a roundabout and its not a simple junction either... However on the approach its three lanes - left fiorward, middle forward and right, and right right. You enter the junction and then its both lanes right. then through the junction its left left and right forward. this is whats causing the feeling of being cut up. your using the left lane to pass traffic going right, and forward.
my take on this would as below...
I would generally accept that approach but that is with the benefit of an overhead view, or familiarity. When approaching at road level, then, as a newcomer, the full knowledge of the layout may not be clear. my take on this would as below...
OP is familiar, so the route suggested here is best. Just be cautious of who is around you and where they are going. Try to be visible, and not in blind spots.
I agree with scotty here, part of problem is OP is trying to treat it as a roundabout when in reality it isn't.
Clearly a lot depends on traffic flow, signs, road markings, but how many vehicles in the right hand lane as marked yellow on scotty version actually want to go right onto the green lane. If there's a minority then the rest will want to follow the yellow route. Understandable why potential conflict occurs.
We all get in the wrong lane at some junctions on unfamiliar territory, but with a regularly used one then should soon get used to how the flow goes, even if that's not as the planners thought it might. Also get used to spotting people out of position either due to unfamiliarity with the junction or someone just chancing it.
Clearly a lot depends on traffic flow, signs, road markings, but how many vehicles in the right hand lane as marked yellow on scotty version actually want to go right onto the green lane. If there's a minority then the rest will want to follow the yellow route. Understandable why potential conflict occurs.
We all get in the wrong lane at some junctions on unfamiliar territory, but with a regularly used one then should soon get used to how the flow goes, even if that's not as the planners thought it might. Also get used to spotting people out of position either due to unfamiliarity with the junction or someone just chancing it.
What is the purpose of the green lane if not to take the blue exit? Of course, I can say that with the benefit of an aerial view!
It's another example where inadequate or misleading info is provided to the unfortunate driver. Presumably, it's to collect extra rates from body shops?
Beware when driving in areas where local authorities mark right turn lanes at roundabouts with straight-on arrows!
It's another example where inadequate or misleading info is provided to the unfortunate driver. Presumably, it's to collect extra rates from body shops?
Beware when driving in areas where local authorities mark right turn lanes at roundabouts with straight-on arrows!
Unless your green lane has a right turn only arrow painted on the tarmac or on a sign at the side of the road, I wouldn't assume it's for right turn only.
Sometimes things are simpler from above, but this looks like a straightforward two lanes continuing across into two lanes exactly as Scotty has drawn out.
On street view I'd be assuming the same thing, to be honest, though I can see how either approach could feel uncomfortable in practice because it's the sort of junction that won't be used consistently - more clear markings would be wise, IMHO
Sometimes things are simpler from above, but this looks like a straightforward two lanes continuing across into two lanes exactly as Scotty has drawn out.
On street view I'd be assuming the same thing, to be honest, though I can see how either approach could feel uncomfortable in practice because it's the sort of junction that won't be used consistently - more clear markings would be wise, IMHO
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