What tyres do I buy
Discussion
...for my 307 ?
I have killed the fronts in 12,000 miles !! so I think you may be able to tell how I corner. And no, I don't do burnouts or reverse donuts.
It has relatively puny 195 65 15's. But very grippy, if short lived.
I'm thinking of 205 60 15's on the same wheels (all round). Would this be ok? handling/braking ???
Any particular brands you can recomend? the service is coming up in 2 weeks so I am a tad over stretched - and therefore want some good tyres that will last a bit longer than 12K, but give good grip.
cheers, Carl.
I have killed the fronts in 12,000 miles !! so I think you may be able to tell how I corner. And no, I don't do burnouts or reverse donuts.
It has relatively puny 195 65 15's. But very grippy, if short lived.
I'm thinking of 205 60 15's on the same wheels (all round). Would this be ok? handling/braking ???
Any particular brands you can recomend? the service is coming up in 2 weeks so I am a tad over stretched - and therefore want some good tyres that will last a bit longer than 12K, but give good grip.
cheers, Carl.
Yokahama A539 best rubber ive ever had on a front wheel driver flipping ace grip wet or dry low noise and very suprisingly last ages and only about £38 sqiud for 195/50/15. Ive gone thro fronts in 5-6K with other makes but these babys have lasted over 10k and I drive like an arse, but admitidly are on the wear bars now. I hate Pirelli, had a p6000 on a Puma = horible sqirmy things Dont get Yoko S309 unless on a shopping car, not recomended at all.
I don't know if this is correct,but a guy i know who works in the tyre business says tyres are consumer/country designed.Any tyre made for the US market and US branded are generally good for high miles.Anything for the Jap market have only low milage life.He said the European market is a mixture of the two,with Michelin being the hardest wearing and Dunlop being the softest.Anything made in the Asia/Malaysia area is poo!
From my own experience,i put a set of Continental low friction tyres(205 55 15) on our 98 VW Golf GTi and they do work.(very low friction and big understeer
)However,it gave me 4-5mpg more which i found hard to believe until measuring the economy really carefully.They don't grip like Yokos but as a general run around they're great.
From my own experience,i put a set of Continental low friction tyres(205 55 15) on our 98 VW Golf GTi and they do work.(very low friction and big understeer
)However,it gave me 4-5mpg more which i found hard to believe until measuring the economy really carefully.They don't grip like Yokos but as a general run around they're great.
dennisthemenace said: Try black round ones with a knobbly pattern to shift the water
mitchilen (spelt well and truely wrongly) energys are good tyre seem to last well and have good grip in the dry and wet , what did the car come with ?
Noooooooooooooo run and hide! Those Michelin Energy tyres have abosolutely no grip what so ever. Seriously, it's like driving through a diesel spill all the time.
They do last forever though.
I had a company Vectra (sorry for mentioning that name here) and on Energy tyres it was shite. When the company slapped on "Wetwang" tyres (or some other no name tyre I'd never heard of) on it was still shite but had much more grip.
I use Yokohama A539s or Colway cut slicks on my cars. Yokos grip well wet and dry and wear slowly, Colways grip fantastically well in the dry and last 4-5k.
Edited after I found out how to spell "Michelin"
>> Edited by Captain Muppet on Tuesday 22 October 07:09
Edited further to say that the Colways are very scary on standing water/mud
>> Edited by Captain Muppet on Tuesday 22 October 07:11
By increasing the width and leaving everything else alone you will be lowering the profile (slightly) as the profile is a ratio of the height/width of the rubber.
You'd have to think very carefully before doing this, as usually car manufacturers spend a lot of time deciding on the optimum tyre profile for the application.
Maybe by increasing width you'll increase grip, but at the expense of a less benign breakaway on the limit.
Then again, I'm no expert.
P.S. Its not that long ago that a 195 tyre would have been regarded as quite wide...
You'd have to think very carefully before doing this, as usually car manufacturers spend a lot of time deciding on the optimum tyre profile for the application.
Maybe by increasing width you'll increase grip, but at the expense of a less benign breakaway on the limit.
Then again, I'm no expert.
P.S. Its not that long ago that a 195 tyre would have been regarded as quite wide...
pdv6 said: By increasing the width and leaving everything else alone you will be lowering the profile (slightly) as the profile is a ratio of the height/width of the rubber.
don't understand what you are saying.. a 195/60 has the same profile as a 205/60 its 60%
By increasing the width and leaving everything else alone (ie its still an XXX/60) you will be increasing the ride-height slightly..
Cheers
Matt
>> Edited by M@H on Tuesday 22 October 14:00
Yeah - I meant by leaving the height the same and increasing the width you reduce the profile.
Of course, if you chose a wider tyre with the same profile, you'll get a higher ride height and mess up the gearing.
Also, going back to the original post, going from a 195/65 to a 205/60 would give a different overall wheel diameter (7.5 mm smaller, approximately).
Of course, if you chose a wider tyre with the same profile, you'll get a higher ride height and mess up the gearing.
Also, going back to the original post, going from a 195/65 to a 205/60 would give a different overall wheel diameter (7.5 mm smaller, approximately).
pdv6 said: Yeah - I meant by leaving the height the same and increasing the width you reduce the profile.
Of course, if you chose a wider tyre with the same profile, you'll get a higher ride height and mess up the gearing.
Also, going back to the original post, going from a 195/65 to a 205/60 would give a different overall wheel diameter (7.5 mm smaller, approximately).
Giving a reducion in gearing of 1.2% ie when your speedo reads 100 you'll actually be doing 98.8mph. Too small a difference to detect.
Your tyre footprint will become approximately 5% larger. So you will get more grip but you do risk less progressive break away. I'd risk it - a 205/60 still has quite a tall, flexible sidewall - so you shouldn't loose grip too suddenly.
Captain Muppet said:I'd risk it - a 205/60 still has quite a tall, flexible sidewall - so you shouldn't loose grip too suddenly.
Approx 1.2% is the figure I came up with as well
As long as the wider tyre fits the rims properly it should be ok. If the rims are quite narrow, it might feel a bit wobbly, spoiling the 'feel' of the car and potentially running the risk of popping off the rim.
Peugeot should be able to tell you what size tyres would fit which rims.
dennisthemenace said: my mother has put 15" alloys with 195/60 rubber on her citroen ZX after having the standard 14" steel wheels with 175/65 rubber i think the car now handles like a bag'o'shite keep with the original size
She's increased the overall diameter of her wheels by approx 5.5%, which might be enough to upset the suspension geometry, or might not.
Assuming that her speedo was perfect before, it now under-reads by about 5.5%, which (a) is illegal and (b) makes it more difficult to judge revenue camera avoidance...
{edited to add:} 195/50/15 would have given a better fit (reducing the overall diameter slightly), a "wikkid-er" look and keeping things legal (speedo now over-reading slightly)
>> Edited by pdv6 on Tuesday 22 October 16:06
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