Cloned Registration

[solo2]

You have done the right thing of changing the plate to stop any further PCN's, but it's a case of working through them all till they stop.

As far as I am aware there is no one that can help do this.

Good luck but I'd be interest to hear anyone who knows differently

[Sir Bagalot]

solo2 said:

You have done the right thing of changing the plate to stop any further PCN's, but it's a case of working through them all till they stop.

As far as I am aware there is no one that can help do this.

Good luck but I'd be interest to hear anyone who knows differently

I'm not so sure it will stop the PCN's.

OP has a plate of let's say ABC 123. They have now removed that to retention. Next time a PCN is issued it will revert to the OP as they own that reg plate (albeit not assigned to a vehicle)

[archie456]

anonymous said:

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I find that hard to believe, assuming that you mean a cloned plate on another car, given that it's an offence to display the correct plate incorrectly. e.g. wrong spacing.

[archie456]

anonymous said:

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I am not a lawyer, but it appears to be Vehicle licence/registration fraud, under the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994, s.44

Sentencing can vary anywhere from a fine to prison.

[LosingGrip]

archie456 said:

I am not a lawyer, but it appears to be Vehicle licence/registration fraud, under the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994, s.44

Sentencing can vary anywhere from a fine to prison.

Armchair_Expert needs to change their name to Not_An_Armchair_Expert

[e21Keith]

Even if cloning the plate were not illegal, there is still the issue that the vin on the cloned vehicle does not match the one for the original vehicle, therefore the insurance is void and would result in a fine/points if picked up.

There were at least two instances of Police pulling up reported cloned plate vehicles in the last series of Traffic Cops or Motorway Cops.

[Panamax]

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Good grief. That's hard to believe.

False plates on a vehicle are, amongst other things, grounds for a charge of "perverting the course of justice".

"Perverting the course of justice is a wide-ranging term, but the offence refers to an act intended to falsely impact the outcome of a criminal case. By this definition virtually any attempt, whether by the accused or somebody else, to bring about the evasion of justice is categorised under the offence of perverting the course of justice. Because the definition of perverting the course of justice is broad, acts which come under this category range from relatively low-level offences, such as giving false driver details after speeding, to more serious offences such as a false rape allegation."
https://www.lawtonslaw.co.uk/resources/perverting-...

[Panamax]

No, you're talking complete nonsense. Of course it's an offence to drive a vehicle on the road without number plates, with fictional number plates or with cloned number plates.

BiB may not treat it like a murder investigation but it's still an offence.

[Bigends]

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Recorded if the offender is captured and admits fraud though

[Puddenchucker]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/22/secti...

Unless I'm miss-interpretting the above (IANAL), it's an offence to fraudulantly use a registration mark:

A person is guilty of an offence if he forges, fraudulently alters, fraudulently uses, fraudulently lends or fraudulently allows to be used by another person anything to which subsection (2) applies.


(d)a registration mark,

(e)a registration document, and

(f)a trade plate (including a replacement trade plate).

(3)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable—

(a)on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, and

(b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or to a fine or (except in Scotland) to both.

[CanAm]

e21Keith said:

Even if cloning the plate were not illegal, there is still the issue that the vin on the cloned vehicle does not match the one for the original vehicle, therefore the insurance is void and would result in a fine/points if picked up.

There were at least two instances of Police pulling up reported cloned plate vehicles in the last series of Traffic Cops or Motorway Cops.

I would hazard a guess that cloned plates are used so that the perpetrators do not have to worry about the cost of paying for insurance, tax and MOT etc.

[PhilF329]

Had this on my wife’s car from new, speeding tickets, parking fines, traffic offences and then a hit and run accident. I reported it as you have done and discovered that at some point the police had actually stopped the vehicle, detained the driver but let them go without charge as they accepted his explanation that it had been a mix up at the dealer. Yes, right!

After that I appealed all further tickets etc referring them to the Chief Constable of the police force involved, explaining that they knew the identity of the driver and after a few months they miraculously all stopped!

Good luck!