15 minute cities
Discussion
Now, Paris is considering this. Oxford are starting to see the public's (rather than activists') opinion of this concept. Call them what they actually are: 15 minute ghettos - Warsaw had one back in the 40s and that didn't end well! The strongest prisons are the ones with walls you can't see. This idea combined with that PH favourite, a cashless society, is going to be disastrous for your freedom!
What say you?
What say you?
cmsapms said:
Now, Paris is considering this. Oxford are starting to see the public's (rather than activists') opinion of this concept. Call them what they actually are: 15 minute ghettos - Warsaw had one back in the 40s and that didn't end well! The strongest prisons are the ones with walls you can't see. This idea combined with that PH favourite, a cashless society, is going to be disastrous for your freedom!
What say you?
Why is having things close to you disastrous for freedom?What say you?
cmsapms said:
Now, Paris is considering this. Oxford are starting to see the public's (rather than activists') opinion of this concept. Call them what they actually are: 15 minute ghettos - Warsaw had one back in the 40s and that didn't end well! The strongest prisons are the ones with walls you can't see. This idea combined with that PH favourite, a cashless society, is going to be disastrous for your freedom!
What say you?
I first read your post & thought that Paris was going to be split into 15 small (as in minute) places. What say you?
I then Googled what you might mean. If I could have worked 15 minutes from home & walked to the pub I'd have been happy!
Don't see how it can be really though.
gregs656 said:
cmsapms said:
Now, Paris is considering this. Oxford are starting to see the public's (rather than activists') opinion of this concept. Call them what they actually are: 15 minute ghettos - Warsaw had one back in the 40s and that didn't end well! The strongest prisons are the ones with walls you can't see. This idea combined with that PH favourite, a cashless society, is going to be disastrous for your freedom!
What say you?
Why is having things close to you disastrous for freedom?What say you?
cmsapms said:
Now, Paris is considering this. Oxford are starting to see the public's (rather than activists') opinion of this concept. Call them what they actually are: 15 minute ghettos - Warsaw had one back in the 40s and that didn't end well! The strongest prisons are the ones with walls you can't see. This idea combined with that PH favourite, a cashless society, is going to be disastrous for your freedom!
What say you?
Doesn't sound too awful to me, or new for that matter. I think they used to call them villages.What say you?
Scrump said:
Adelaide called itself the 20 minute city (at least it did when I was there over a decade ago). This was because in 20 minutes you could get to any other part of the city, was seen as a positive.
But that isn't what's happening here. In Oxford the idea is you won't be able to drive out of your assigned area more than 100 times a year unless you have a permit, or according to some accounts only allowed to drive out at all if you have a permit, and then no more than 100 times a year.Great concept but this being the UK you just know that it will be badly executed, under funded, incoherent and a license for those without any real knowledge of anything to foist ideas on the population.
The botley interchange is the gateway to Dante’s inferno and Oxford traffic is dreadful. How much worse can it get?
The botley interchange is the gateway to Dante’s inferno and Oxford traffic is dreadful. How much worse can it get?
Dr Jekyll said:
But that isn't what's happening here. In Oxford the idea is you won't be able to drive out of your assigned area more than 100 times a year unless you have a permit, or according to some accounts only allowed to drive out at all if you have a permit, and then no more than 100 times a year.
That isn’t strictly true which doesn’t help the discussion. Residents will be able to drive between the areas 365 days a year albeit may have to alter their route to do so. There has been nothing published I’ve seen which would limit you driving out of the area at all either, aside from directly between said zones. Not saying I agree particularly but accuracy is important.
Dr Jekyll said:
The point is that it's about making it difficult to travel more than 15 minutes from home. The argument of course is that everything deemed necessary is available within 15 minutes walk so you have no business travelling any further, but the schemes are all about introducing movement restrictions.
That isn’t the point though, is it?That might be what Oxford is doing, but that is an additional layer they are adding.
If moving house was easier and cheaper, and moving schools wasn't likeky to result in educational disruption, then people wouldn't need to commute so far. There's nothing I'd like more than to have been closer to my work, but I've lived in this particular house for 25 years, and had 5 permanent jobs all in different towns, 20 to 105 miles away, and spent 13 years of that contracting where I travelled to 5 different locations ranging 55 miles to 220 miles.
Dr Jekyll said:
gregs656 said:
cmsapms said:
Now, Paris is considering this. Oxford are starting to see the public's (rather than activists') opinion of this concept. Call them what they actually are: 15 minute ghettos - Warsaw had one back in the 40s and that didn't end well! The strongest prisons are the ones with walls you can't see. This idea combined with that PH favourite, a cashless society, is going to be disastrous for your freedom!
What say you?
Why is having things close to you disastrous for freedom?What say you?
A few questions.
1. Which do we think your local council can arrange -
a. for you to have everything you need within a short walk or cycle of where you live? or
b. to so totally f
k up all the roads that you cannot get anywhere and have to live without?
2. How much do you think they will care that the solution imposed on you is "b"?
1. Which do we think your local council can arrange -
a. for you to have everything you need within a short walk or cycle of where you live? or
b. to so totally f
k up all the roads that you cannot get anywhere and have to live without?2. How much do you think they will care that the solution imposed on you is "b"?
I think the point here is that there is a world of difference between wanting and liking everything to be within 15 minutes of your home, and restricting your free movement around the city, by the issuing of passes or the imposition of fines.
I feel this is far more about control than tackling climate change.
I feel this is far more about control than tackling climate change.
Dr Jekyll said:
But that isn't what's happening here. In Oxford the idea is you won't be able to drive out of your assigned area more than 100 times a year unless you have a permit, or according to some accounts only allowed to drive out at all if you have a permit, and then no more than 100 times a year.
Existing thread on the Oxford plans here:https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing//topic.asp?h=0...
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