Possible better news ref. UK inflation
Possible better news ref. UK inflation
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Jon39

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14,568 posts

167 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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I posted this good news on one of the inflation related topics, but was told ...........

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I knew that the global oil price has reduced from its recent peak, but was surprised today to realise the following;

(Have only looked at three commodities.)

Oil, Gas and Wheat are all now trading, at almost the same prices as they were, before the Ukraine invasion.
The reduction from peak is considerable.

That should eventually have a better effect on our retail inflation numbers, by actually reducing prices of these staple commodities (not just reducing the rate of price increase).


Simpo Two

91,624 posts

289 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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Jon39 said:
Oil, Gas and Wheat are all now trading, at almost the same prices as they were, before the Ukraine invasion.
The reduction from peak is considerable.

That should eventually have a better effect on our retail inflation numbers, by actually reducing prices of these staple commodities (not just reducing the rate of price increase).
I suspect much of it will be bagged by the wholesalers and retailers as extra profit. If people are used to paying £1.95 for a loaf, why cut it to £1.20 when the punter will be pleased to see £1.75 and think - 'Ooo 20p less!'

nickfrog

24,514 posts

241 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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Unlikely to that extent in a fiercely competitive FMCG market. But either way, nothing wrong with a bit of margin restoration.

ReverendCounter

6,087 posts

200 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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What the country needs is a not-for-profit supermarket chain - no boardmembers, no fat cats, just a good supply chain, decent products, decent wages for employees.

I bet you could crowdfund it to get the first one going - you'd soon see the majors stting themselves and dropping prices like an oiled turd.

Leithen

13,715 posts

291 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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Labour shortages will keep inflation higher than it ought to be.

GiantCardboardPlato

5,974 posts

45 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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nickfrog said:
Unlikely to that extent in a fiercely competitive FMCG market. But either way, nothing wrong with a bit of margin restoration.
Yeah that’s why nobody is getting pay rises

GiantCardboardPlato

5,974 posts

45 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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Leithen said:
Labour shortages will keep inflation higher than it ought to be.

i.e. brexit

CraigyMc

18,330 posts

260 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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ReverendCounter said:
What the country needs is a not-for-profit supermarket chain - no boardmembers, no fat cats, just a good supply chain, decent products, decent wages for employees.

I bet you could crowdfund it to get the first one going - you'd soon see the majors stting themselves and dropping prices like an oiled turd.
It's called the co-operative.

Simpo Two

91,624 posts

289 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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CraigyMc said:
ReverendCounter said:
What the country needs is a not-for-profit supermarket chain - no boardmembers, no fat cats, just a good supply chain, decent products, decent wages for employees.

I bet you could crowdfund it to get the first one going - you'd soon see the majors stting themselves and dropping prices like an oiled turd.
It's called the co-operative.
And their shelves have many gaps, and have had for months or more; they say it's because they don't have the buying power so are last in the queue.

If you only shop in the CoOp you get used to thinking you're in East Berlin. Then you go to Waitrose, Tesco etc and it's wow, the shelves are full, so much stuff, so much choice! And the CoOp is not cheap.

Jon39

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167 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2023
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CraigyMc said:
ReverendCounter said:
What the country needs is a not-for-profit supermarket chain - no boardmembers, no fat cats, just a good supply chain, decent products, decent wages for employees.

I bet you could crowdfund it to get the first one going - you'd soon see the majors panicing dropping prices like a stone.
It's called the co-operative.

smile - You beat me to it.

They have shown for decades, how to run a not-for-profit supermarket (in to the ground).
However, it was probably not their original intention to be not-for-profit.
Being so poorly managed, it went from I think, once having about 50% of the whole grocery market, to hardly registering on the market share score board.

At last though, they really thought that they had found an experienced dynamic leader, suitable for the whole Co-op group. Someone who could propel the business to great success. What could possibly go wrong?
Being an honorable Methodist minister, he was going to be the star performer and save the business from its difficulties, but no, even their recruiting department turned out to be hopeless.
Their vicar became nicknamed, the Crystal Meth, after being caught and pleading guilty, to buying and using illegal drugs.

The supermarket business is not at all easy and only succeeds with the very best management. Even Tesco went through wobbly periods, when they had poor leadership.
If Walmart and Amazon (Whole Foods & Amazon Fresh) cannot succeed in the UK, then that shows it is certainly not a game for amateurs.




Edited by Jon39 on Tuesday 3rd January 23:29

Mr Penguin

4,284 posts

63 months

Wednesday 4th January 2023
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GiantCardboardPlato said:
i.e. brexit
If it's down to Brexit, why are so many other countries in the same boat?

Mr Penguin

4,284 posts

63 months

Wednesday 4th January 2023
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ReverendCounter said:
What the country needs is a not-for-profit supermarket chain - no boardmembers, no fat cats, just a good supply chain, decent products, decent wages for employees.

I bet you could crowdfund it to get the first one going - you'd soon see the majors stting themselves and dropping prices like an oiled turd.
If you don't have board members, who runs it?

The supermarket industry is famously brutal with very low margins so there won't be much potential for efficiency saving anyway.

markiii

4,225 posts

218 months

Wednesday 4th January 2023
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ReverendCounter said:
What the country needs is a not-for-profit supermarket chain - no boardmembers, no fat cats, just a good supply chain, decent products, decent wages for employees.

I bet you could crowdfund it to get the first one going - you'd soon see the majors stting themselves and dropping prices like an oiled turd.
you could call it the co-op

markiii

4,225 posts

218 months

Wednesday 4th January 2023
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Mr Penguin said:
GiantCardboardPlato said:
i.e. brexit
If it's down to Brexit, why are so many other countries in the same boat?
now don't go asking sensible questions, the remoaners won't like it at all

Leithen

13,715 posts

291 months

Wednesday 4th January 2023
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Mr Penguin said:
If it's down to Brexit, why are so many other countries in the same boat?
The pandemic has greatly increased the proportion of the inactive workforce. That applies to many countries, UK, EU, US etc.

We have the bonus of no longer having EU freedom of movement. It's remarkable that some appear to believe this hasn't made any difference to the labour market in the UK. But hey, I can pronounce all my employee's names now, so woohoo.

nickfrog

24,514 posts

241 months

Wednesday 4th January 2023
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markiii said:
Mr Penguin said:
GiantCardboardPlato said:
i.e. brexit
If it's down to Brexit, why are so many other countries in the same boat?
now don't go asking sensible questions, the remoaners won't like it at all
I don't think it takes a genius to understand that Brexit may have made a global situation even worse. No need to call people names either as some can have voted Brexit and understand that.

rossub

5,619 posts

214 months

Wednesday 4th January 2023
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Ah, the good ship Brexit has set sail in yet another thread rolleyes

GiantCardboardPlato

5,974 posts

45 months

Wednesday 4th January 2023
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When discussing inflation being exacerbated by a labour market shortage, recent moves to deliberately reduce the pool of potential employees available to employers are quite relevant,.

You can’t blame people for discussing reality.

s1962a

7,451 posts

186 months

Wednesday 4th January 2023
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rossub said:
Ah, the good ship Brexit has set sail in yet another thread rolleyes
It's going to be a topic for generations to come. Get used to it.

craigjm

20,680 posts

224 months

Wednesday 4th January 2023
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rossub said:
Ah, the good ship Brexit has set sail in yet another thread rolleyes
Yup and a good healthy dose of pandemic