How will ULEZ policing be managed?

[goldar]

I live in zone 6 and my car is of a sufficient age where it will not qualify for ULEZ. It doesn't get driven much, and I don't want to get rid of it for the sake of it. Will they be placing ANPR cameras everywhere, or just in certain places? That would seem like a very costly exercise.

[Hoofy]

That's how it currently works. Maybe all main arterial routes so it might be possible to sneak round them.

[braddo]

It will definitely be worth registering for autopay because if I understand it correctly, you get billed automatically when a camera reads your reg plate, so if a camera never sees you...

[Sir Bagalot]

braddo said:

It will definitely be worth registering for autopay because if I understand it correctly, you get billed automatically when a camera reads your reg plate, so if a camera never sees you...

I believe you understand it correctly.

[lobster940]

There are rumours that outer London boroughs (many of which are Conservative-controlled - Bexley, Hillingdon, Harrow etc) will not allow ULEZ enforcement cameras to be installed on roads which they control.

There are a lot of rumours however, and it's hard to separate fact from fiction.

All I do know is that it really does pain me to spend a decent amount of money on high quality service parts for my MX-5 NB only for it to face Mayor Khan's forced obsolescence in August.

I am quietly hopeful for said outer borough councils to lodge a successful judicial review...but time will tell.

[vikingaero]

2,750 new cameras.

TfL could have problems installing the cameras on some roads if the local authorities don't play ball as they don't own all the Highways. However Councils that don't play ball and refuse cameras could find their areas become rat runs.

[vikingaero]

Sir Bagalot said:

braddo said:

It will definitely be worth registering for autopay because if I understand it correctly, you get billed automatically when a camera reads your reg plate, so if a camera never sees you...

I believe you understand it correctly.

I predict an uptake in cloning.

Interesting that the business model relies on fines, with the number of vehicles they can fine dropping to zero by 2027.

[NMNeil]

What a complete and utter waste of money.
The banning of the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in 2030, and natural attrition in the form of rust and MOT failures means there won't be any need for enforcement in a few years.

[Ice_blue_tvr]

vikingaero said:

2,750 new cameras.

TfL could have problems installing the cameras on some roads if the local authorities don't play ball as they don't own all the Highways. However Councils that don't play ball and refuse cameras could find their areas become rat runs.

This is the rumour. But rat run to where? A single outer Borough won't get you into "London" .

My parents live in a neighbouring Borough, I potentially still wouldn't be able to drive to theirs, for example.

[TCX]

NMNeil said:

What a complete and utter waste of money.
The banning of the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in 2030, and natural attrition in the form of rust and MOT failures means there won't be any need for enforcement in a few years.

Nope,I've a 17 year old diesel, easily passes mot,could keep it going well beyond 2030 but getting rid because of ulez this year,a well looked after ice should last n last

[anonymous-user]

NMNeil said:

What a complete and utter waste of money.
The banning of the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in 2030, and natural attrition in the form of rust and MOT failures means there won't be any need for enforcement in a few years.

This isn't about getting a few tens of thousands of older cars off the road. That is the excuse to introduce the charging infrastructure, but this will be used to charge people per mile in future.

They are not spending hundreds of millions of pounds so that I scrap my 16 year old Megane diesel and buy a petrol shed instead.

They will be pricing people off the road, the poorest first as lets be honest the Tories hate poor people.

[lobster940]

Joey Deacon said:

They will be pricing people off the road, the poorest first as lets be honest the Tories hate poor people.

This is a Labour Mayor's doing.

Labour hate poor people.

Tory councils oppose ULEZ - the last Tory Mayoral candidate pledged to halt its initial expansion to the A406/A205.

[braddo]

lobster940 said:

This is a Labour Mayor's doing.

Being cornered into it by a Tory government who won't fund TFL properly.

[lobster940]

braddo said:

lobster940 said:

This is a Labour Mayor's doing.

Being cornered into it by a Tory government who won't fund TFL properly.

One could argue that it's down to the Labour Mayor's (characteristic - good old Labour) inability to manage his own budget.

Freezing single Tube fares, banning the advertising of 'junk' food (such as veggie curries and Christmas puddings) on TFL services did not help.

[hxc_]

There's a lot of cameras. There are a couple of runs I can do from my flat which avoid it, but not many at all.

It is what it is - set up auto pay and try and forget about it if you drive infrequently.

[Tafford]

braddo said:

Being cornered into it by a Tory government who won't fund TFL properly.

As spending in London on transport per head of the population is over twice that of most of the rest of the country I'm not sure TFL can be considered underfunded?

Edited by Tafford on Thursday 5th January 18:03

[Alex_225]

goldar said:

I live in zone 6 and my car is of a sufficient age where it will not qualify for ULEZ. It doesn't get driven much, and I don't want to get rid of it for the sake of it. Will they be placing ANPR cameras everywhere, or just in certain places? That would seem like a very costly exercise.

In short no. I live literally 50m inside the proposed expansion and own two cars that do not comply. I looked this up and it states that they will not be mapping out where the cameras are as they have done with the current ULEZ. There are too many exits and entrances so they won't want to give that away will they!

In theory, if they don't put a camera on the end of my road which is a short road with about 12 houses along it, I can escape without being taxed.....I mean charged. They will be using mobile units so I'm sure they'll be out to catch people.

Until they roll it out, it'll be impossible to know. I live in this little corner of the ULEZ where the larger road my road leads from isn't in the ULEZ. Over the road, houses in the same postcode aren't in the ULEZ. Be interesting to see if people park their cars on other roads to avoid it and block up bus routes etc.

[valiant]

lobster940 said:

This is a Labour Mayor's doing.

Labour hate poor people.

Tory councils oppose ULEZ - the last Tory Mayoral candidate pledged to halt its initial expansion to the A406/A205.

And yet the Tory government has forced TfL to proceed with it.



Don’t get me wrong, this is an initiative from the Mayor but don’t be fooled that the Tories are against it.

[megaphone]

I see many non compliant cars inside the current ULEZ, I doubt they are all paying the daily charge. I reckon once inside you will be ok. As above register for auto pay and if you are caught out, you won't get a fine.

ULEZ is a tax on the poor.

[mrmichaelsankey]

“khan tax” IMHO. My parents live inside the M25, just. I live well outside, all our cars are exempt but for how long?

I would love to confront Khan on his 5 car SUV motorcade that he runs around…. Surely if he needs that much security then other problems exist that need looking at like the police instead of splashing £40m on expanding the current zone.

Being a non-progressive tax then it’ll hit the poorest most. That is not how our society should be run, we have a progressive system (all be it the top 0.5% swerve a massive amount of the burden) thus the socialist side has gone for a very communist “them and us” approach with this.