Should I Turbo?
Should I Turbo?
Author
Discussion

Fenderer

Original Poster:

137 posts

118 months

Thursday 12th January 2023
quotequote all
Now the Speeduino install is working well I can't help thinking it would great to have some more budget DIY fun getting a bit more oomph..

Not looking for anything spectacular, nice and safe low pressure turbo install, something like a clone GT35 with 5psi of boost. 300bhp would be more than enough. I've already uprated the brakes to Fiesta ST calipers and bigger discs on the front. Will I need to sort the rears?

I'm pretty spanner handy, so would do everything myself. Half the fun for me is doing it on the cheap. Are the Chinese copy turbos good enough these days?

Searching old threads it seems there used to be a great kit from Eann Whalley but sadly not much detailed info available on what's needed. Looks like there would be a great deal of stainless fabrication though to take care of the Y piece plumbing.

Ideas welcome.


bobfather

11,194 posts

271 months

Thursday 12th January 2023
quotequote all
The UJs on the prop and the halfshaft CVs are made of chocolate. You will go through them quickly. Also, engine mounts need upgrading

Belle427

10,784 posts

249 months

Thursday 12th January 2023
quotequote all
Some videos here to wet your appetite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5hKTebFT8s

Fenderer

Original Poster:

137 posts

118 months

Thursday 12th January 2023
quotequote all
Belle427 said:
Some videos here to wet your appetite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5hKTebFT8s
Ha, seen all these now. Great viewing. Seems an uprated clutch will probably be a requirement too. biggrin

baconsarney

12,174 posts

177 months

Thursday 12th January 2023
quotequote all
Fenderer said:
Now the Speeduino install is working well I can't help thinking it would great to have some more budget DIY fun getting a bit more oomph..

Not looking for anything spectacular, nice and safe low pressure turbo install, something like a clone GT35 with 5psi of boost. 300bhp would be more than enough. I've already uprated the brakes to Fiesta ST calipers and bigger discs on the front. Will I need to sort the rears?

I'm pretty spanner handy, so would do everything myself. Half the fun for me is doing it on the cheap. Are the Chinese copy turbos good enough these days?

Searching old threads it seems there used to be a great kit from Eann Whalley but sadly not much detailed info available on what's needed. Looks like there would be a great deal of stainless fabrication though to take care of the Y piece plumbing.

Ideas welcome.
Speak to Macdeb or Qbee…

Unweder

19,218 posts

237 months

Thursday 12th January 2023
quotequote all
bobfather said:
The UJs on the prop and the halfshaft CVs are made of chocolate. You will go through them quickly. Also, engine mounts need upgrading
Stock d/shafts are a weakness sure but nothing wrong with prop UJ,'s and shaft CV's

Caddyshack

12,674 posts

222 months

Thursday 12th January 2023
quotequote all
Turbo power is orrible dirty power, super charger would be much better for throttle response but ultimately lower peak power.

Oldwolf

994 posts

209 months

Friday 13th January 2023
quotequote all
Caddyshack said:
Turbo power is orrible dirty power......
You say that like it's a bad thing smile

spitfire4v8

4,018 posts

197 months

Friday 13th January 2023
quotequote all
Caddyshack said:
Turbo power is orrible dirty power, super charger would be much better for throttle response but ultimately lower peak power.
Have you driven a turbo TVR ? they are epic. Off boost you still have a large V8 so no losses there, once on boost it's win win win. Supercharger install much more expensive too, but each to their own. smile

Fenderer

Original Poster:

137 posts

118 months

Friday 13th January 2023
quotequote all
Exactly! The engine is perfect for it. I'd be amazed if there was any lag at all to be honest. It literally needs nominal boost no more than 5psi, don't even need a controller.

Question. Can I get away with a half decent china charger with an internal wastegate? The hardest part by far would be fabricating a new turbo friendly Y piece.

Would be even better if the whole thing could be made reversible, so no intercooler. No new holes in the body.

Edited by Fenderer on Friday 13th January 10:19

spitfire4v8

4,018 posts

197 months

Friday 13th January 2023
quotequote all
I have a maxspeedingrods turbo and clive f y piece sat on my workshop floor that i bought for a project and then went secondhand eann whalley unit instead, yours at cost if you want it ? can sort pics and spec over the weekend if you're interested?

Fenderer

Original Poster:

137 posts

118 months

Friday 13th January 2023
quotequote all
Yeah definitely interested. Thanks.. Let me know all the details. I think you can email me on here through my profile.

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

124 months

Friday 13th January 2023
quotequote all
spitfire4v8 said:
Caddyshack said:
Turbo power is orrible dirty power, super charger would be much better for throttle response but ultimately lower peak power.
Have you driven a turbo TVR ? they are epic. Off boost you still have a large V8 so no losses there, once on boost it's win win win. Supercharger install much more expensive too, but each to their own. smile
Yeah, I've been rewatching the Engine Masters series recently and the tests they've done with boost have really changed my mind about superchargers over turbos. I think unless I was building something that I wanted a big roots blower on for aesthetics, I'd just stick a turbo on it.

macdeb

8,671 posts

271 months

Friday 13th January 2023
quotequote all
Unweder said:
bobfather said:
The UJs on the prop and the halfshaft CVs are made of chocolate. You will go through them quickly. Also, engine mounts need upgrading
Stock d/shafts are a weakness sure but nothing wrong with prop UJ,'s and shaft CV's
Agree with Unweder, I put 573hp 610lb through with no problems. Though I did install some 'dave mac' driveshafts at £1k as they can be a weakpoint and the front u/j on prop shaft was Ford Mustang as I'd also fitted a TKO600 gearbox and twin plate McLeod clutch. Tours on continent, LeMans, through Italy etc, over several passes, drag strip days (of which I was st) and the present owner been to Portugal in it with NO u/j problems to report. In fact, no problems at all other than a failed turbo seal. Build it right, build it once.


Edited by macdeb on Friday 13th January 18:20


Edited by macdeb on Friday 13th January 18:21


Edited by macdeb on Friday 13th January 18:23

Fenderer

Original Poster:

137 posts

118 months

Friday 13th January 2023
quotequote all
macdeb said:
Build it right, build it once.
Can't disagree with that...

Do you think I'll be OK with the original driveshafts given I'm not really planning to go much further than 300bhp?

Fully expect to have to uprate the clutch but would be nice to wear out the original first.

macdeb

8,671 posts

271 months

Friday 13th January 2023
quotequote all
Fenderer said:
macdeb said:
Build it right, build it once.
Can't disagree with that...

Do you think I'll be OK with the original driveshafts given I'm not really planning to go much further than 300bhp?

Fully expect to have to uprate the clutch but would be nice to wear out the original first.
Myself, imho, yes. Original driveshafts, gearbox, even clutch will be fine at that level and low boost though a new upgrade when it fails is always good. Oh, and the U/J's won't bother you either. Obviously all above dependant on miles done. Good luck, keep us posted.

Fenderer

Original Poster:

137 posts

118 months

Friday 13th January 2023
quotequote all
macdeb said:
Myself, imho, yes. Original driveshafts, gearbox, even clutch will be fine at that level and low boost though a new upgrade when it fails is always good. Oh, and the U/J's won't bother you either. Obviously all above dependant on miles done. Good luck, keep us posted.
Cool, thanks! Any advice on wastegate spec and setup?, given I just want it really low boost and not too noisy... biggrin

Belle427

10,784 posts

249 months

Saturday 14th January 2023
quotequote all
Coffee time, I believe the chap is around here too so hopefully will comment.
https://forum.retro-rides.org/thread/185126/tvr-ch...

Unweder

19,218 posts

237 months

Sunday 15th January 2023
quotequote all
Popping the clutch will be the downfall of stock driveshaft splines and output stub axles (yes they can shear too) IMO

DangerousDerek

8,669 posts

236 months

Tuesday 17th January 2023
quotequote all
In my experience of regular drag strip abuse of my own Chimaera and others that came along to the meet ups we had quite regularly at Shakey (rip) and Santa Pod i saw a number of standard driveshafts snap and in 1 instance a stub. These were usually due to hard launches on a sticky drag strip with decent tyres.

I would be shocked to see any TVR on the road with circa 300bhp break a driveshaft.

Most TVRs on road tyres would at best be in the 1.8's to 60 foot on a drag strip.
Its when you fit proper drag radial tyres and dump the clutch with over 300bhp minimum for 60 foot launches in the 1.6's that you may risk breaking a shaft. Other failures outside these times or power levels are probably due to age related fatigue etc. Put a new standard shaft in will be fine.

For those getting serious then uprated shafts are available. I have Dave Mac ones and the claim was they are unbreakable! I am trying my best tho.