RE: Rear-drive Volvos return with new Recharge lineup
RE: Rear-drive Volvos return with new Recharge lineup
Monday 16th January 2023

Rear-drive Volvos return with new Recharge lineup

Electric XC40 and C40 get more range, better charging - and a completely different axle doing the driving


The mid-life facelift used to be exactly that - a renose of an existing model to entice buyers in before a new one. Perhaps with some fresh paint options and trim levels as well, to look good in the brochure. In the fast-paced world of the EV, however, such piecemeal changes aren’t going to cut it, as proven by the latest Volvo XC40 and C40 Recharge.

Not only do they get more range, more power and faster charging (more on which in a sec), the single-motor cars are now rear-wheel drive - where they used to be front-wheel drive. Such is the way of the world now. If that weren't drastic enough (at least to those of us more familiar with combustion engines - it must require less work with an EV), the new cars are the first rear-drive Volvos in 25 years. Everything since the 900 Series departed in 1998 has been front-drive or all-wheel drive, so welcome back to the RWD Volvo. Probably won’t be seeing crazy drift builds of these in 20 years’ time, but it’s an interesting swap nonetheless.

That Volvo makes no mention of any significant dynamic difference in the switch from front- to rear-wheel drive says a lot about how the C40 and XC40 were in the first place. These aren’t going to transform from torque-steering monsters into beautifully balanced driver’s cars, though early adopters to the single-motor models might still feel a bit short-changed. Especially with the rest of the alterations added in.

The e-motor is now of Volvo’s own design, and in the base model that means 238hp instead of 231hp. Which isn’t a huge gain, granted, though more range from the 69kWh battery - through better cooling - will certainly be worthwhile: the single-motor XC40 Recharge now does 286 miles WLTP, where it was 264, and the C40 equivalent can now reach 296 miles (previously 272).

Things improve further with the long-range single-motor option. For both models, an 82kWh battery pack takes the place of the 69kWh, taking range to 320 for the XC40 and 331 for the C. Charging is better, too, with 200kW now possible rather than 150 before. The biggest gains, interestingly, come from the all-wheel drive, twin-motor variants. Where those models used to have a pair of 203hp motors, they now also make use of the in-house tech, with a 249hp motor at the back and 159hp one upfront; combined with the long-range battery pack, an XC40 Recharge AWD can now do 311 miles on a charge, up from 273 before. Or not far off 15 per cent, which is noticeable. The C40 version will now do 315 miles, an increase of 35 miles. They’ll both get to 62mph in less than five seconds, too.

“These updates are another big step in our work towards becoming a fully electric car maker by 2030,” said Javier Varela, Volvo COO deputy chief exec. “Range and charging times are new key factors for more and more of our customers, and these improvements make our fully electric models even more attractive than they already were.” Great news for new Recharge customers; those who bought one of the first might not be best pleased, though…


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Whydoyoutalkcrap

Original Poster:

220 posts

243 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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This "Great news for new Recharge customers; those who bought one of the first might not be best pleased, though…"

Always been the issue for early adopters but especially painful when your outlay is car size. Just hope they were leased!

Twinair

1,042 posts

172 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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From what I saw of the frankly terrifying and out of control all wheel drive heavy BEV’s in the recent snow and ice, similar weight of vehicle with rear drive only… yikes - not a great safety prospect?

Darnoc95

517 posts

60 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Be interesting to see if Polestar swap axles for their single motor in their base model as the current FWD is quite rubbish at getting the power down.

stuckmojo

4,102 posts

218 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Darnoc95 said:
Be interesting to see if Polestar swap axles for their single motor in their base model as the current FWD is quite rubbish at getting the power down.
Agreed

I tested one while considering a company car and hated every second

GranpaB

20,094 posts

66 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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And no doubt, eat up valuable boot space.

AMV93

957 posts

122 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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I currently have one of the single motor XC40's, and have ordered this new twin motor XC40 to replace it. On Volvo's Car scheme you can do a 3 month rolling lease - perfect for new tech like this where they update models continually and the updates can be very worthwhile.

The range/efficiency of my current one isn't very good, but I mainly use it for local-ish stuff so it doesn't really affect me. It's displaying around 180 miles from a full charge in the current cold weather, and at best in normal temperatures with motorway use it will do around 210, so it's a fair way off its claimed WLTP range. I'm hoping the new one, with its claimed 311 miles, should get to around 250 or so which brings a return trip down south on a single charge into play for me.

FWD is fairly poor, it just can't cope with the instant torque. Pulling out of junctions often causes it to spin the wheels, even when trying to be careful, and I'm sure it's hopeless in the snow (not really worth trying when I have a 4WD petrol to use). The demo car I borrowed from Volvo before leasing mine was a 4WD and much better in this regard, so I'm looking forward to the replacement arriving.

soxboy

7,573 posts

249 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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The spirit of the 343DL lives on…..

greggy50

6,281 posts

221 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Darnoc95 said:
Be interesting to see if Polestar swap axles for their single motor in their base model as the current FWD is quite rubbish at getting the power down.
Led to believe this is happening along with a mild facelift.

Forums seem to suggest the Long Range Single Motor is going to be 220kwh or circa 300bhp and RWD which might be fun if it happens.

The dual motors will be 310kwh or 350kwh respectively so similar to before but with a lot more of a RWD bias as per the C40.

I wouldn't be surprised if a 500bhp+ version comes out in the future given the new RWD motor sounds like it is capable of 300bhp and the front used to do 200bhp anyway.

Robertb

3,897 posts

268 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Not a fan of the coupe style one, looks slab-sided and elephantine. I know they sell though.

The ICE Volvos are elegant looking cars, I wonder why the EVs generally look relatively ungainly.

pb8g09

3,264 posts

99 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Looks dreadful to me.

Like an Audi Q3 mixed with a Honda HRV.

So glad we can keep driving ICE until 2030+. Hopefully by then some better looking EVs will be on the used market.

The Driving God

137 posts

65 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Twinair said:
From what I saw of the frankly terrifying and out of control all wheel drive heavy BEV’s in the recent snow and ice, similar weight of vehicle with rear drive only… yikes - not a great safety prospect?
Knob :-)

Driving in the snow & ice is more to do with driver ability, or lack of it. Driving my rear wheel drive BEV in those conditions was a piece of piss in comparison to any ICE vehicle.

Darnoc95

517 posts

60 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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stuckmojo said:
Agreed

I tested one while considering a company car and hated every second
Yes same here! I managed to test the Polestar & Kia EV6 single motors both on the same day. EV6 RWD was way ahead in all departments except perhaps on external looks. Do like the look of the Polestar!

Silvanus

6,916 posts

53 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Robertb said:
Not a fan of the coupe style one, looks slab-sided and elephantine. I know they sell though.

The ICE Volvos are elegant looking cars, I wonder why the EVs generally look relatively ungainly.
The saloon and estate cars are available as plug in hybrid and it's likely those shapes will become available as EVs. The XC40 and C40 are both available with engines. They are ungainly because they are crossovers/SUVs, the body styles that the UK public seem to love.

u9ge

75 posts

89 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Don't forget that this is a reflection of the pace of development, with battery density per $ tripling every 10 years means they have to keep up else they'll be better options to buy.

TheDrownedApe

1,825 posts

86 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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My C40 is being delivered in April and I'm trying to reorder it for model year 24 to get the new model. Currently my Salary Sac company don't have updated quotes and I suspect it won't be the same.

Would much prefer RWD, extra range and power but alas I will probably have to stick to my order

Twinair

1,042 posts

172 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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The Driving God said:
Twinair said:
From what I saw of the frankly terrifying and out of control all wheel drive heavy BEV’s in the recent snow and ice, similar weight of vehicle with rear drive only… yikes - not a great safety prospect?
Knob :-)

Driving in the snow & ice is more to do with driver ability, or lack of it. Driving my rear wheel drive BEV in those conditions was a piece of piss in comparison to any ICE vehicle.
Why a knob?

When I was returning from the Sunday Service at Thruxton, as we came back into the Cotswolds - all wheel drive BEV’s were completely out of control descending into the M5 area from the air balloon roundabout, packed snow - continuous down hill

Due to the anti skid - anti lock brakes, regen braking and heavy mass with little or no calibration for driving on compacted snow, these 2.5 ton sledges couldn’t stop or steer, they were out of control!

I saw it with my own eyes, my M4 x drive was just about able to stop, that was also pretty terrifying tbh, and I am what 700kgs lighter than the BEV’s surrounding me

One chap in an i4 BEV thingy was so out of control his wife was in the passenger seat, window down, screaming that they couldn’t stop and that panic and gravity had completely ‘taken over’… they were crapping themselves - as was I, as their vehicle slithered towards my M4 - OOC…!

They only missed me as I had just enough grip with a second gear launch - everything ‘off’ DSC etc to move 1/2 a metre to the left - they later collected the back of a lorry - further down the hill…

I can imagine for regular rwd - with snow tyres on middle snowed roads - maybe that’s ok - especially for driving gods like yourself

But driving on compacted snow with rwd only under these conditions would have been even more impossible than for the awd BEV’s…

There was another guy in a 520d suffering much the same fate as the i4 driver, he managed to stop the car though, BEV counterpart did not - same stretch of road - almost the same time

This has little to do with ‘driver’ skill and much more to do with the vehicle and the laws of physics - save for snow tyres - which are by far the biggest differentiator in wintry conditions

So why am I a knob in your opinion? Interested to hear…

Draxindustries1

1,657 posts

53 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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The Driving God said:
Twinair said:
From what I saw of the frankly terrifying and out of control all wheel drive heavy BEV’s in the recent snow and ice, similar weight of vehicle with rear drive only… yikes - not a great safety prospect?
Knob :-)

Driving in the snow & ice is more to do with driver ability, or lack of it. Driving my rear wheel drive BEV in those conditions was a piece of piss in comparison to any ICE vehicle.
He was talking about out of control EV's in the snow and ice which he himself witnessed..

Silvanus

6,916 posts

53 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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EmailAddress said:
The Driving God said:
Driving my rear wheel drive BEV in those conditions was a piece of piss in comparison to any ICE vehicle.
You wot m8?
Careful, he's likely to respond by calling you a knob!

JD

3,149 posts

258 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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greggy50 said:
Led to believe this is happening along with a mild facelift.

Forums seem to suggest the Long Range Single Motor is going to be 220kwh or circa 300bhp and RWD which might be fun if it happens.

The dual motors will be 310kwh or 350kwh respectively so similar to before but with a lot more of a RWD bias as per the C40.

I wouldn't be surprised if a 500bhp+ version comes out in the future given the new RWD motor sounds like it is capable of 300bhp and the front used to do 200bhp anyway.
Talk about fking over customers who have the front wheel drive version on order!

It's going to kill the residuals on that version overnight!

SweptVolume

1,222 posts

123 months

Monday 16th January 2023
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Twinair said:
The Driving God said:
Twinair said:
From what I saw of the frankly terrifying and out of control all wheel drive heavy BEV’s in the recent snow and ice, similar weight of vehicle with rear drive only… yikes - not a great safety prospect?
Knob :-)

Driving in the snow & ice is more to do with driver ability, or lack of it. Driving my rear wheel drive BEV in those conditions was a piece of piss in comparison to any ICE vehicle.
Why a knob?

When I was returning from the Sunday Service at Thruxton, as we came back into the Cotswolds - all wheel drive BEV’s were completely out of control descending into the M5 area from the air balloon roundabout, packed snow - continuous down hill
I drove that road last weekend and certainly wouldn't want to do it in heavy snow. Plenty of traffic there to cause a pile-up if one person got a severe slip on, too.