Chip conversion comparison
Discussion
The MTM people are trying to convince me that their chip is better than Superchips. Anyone have any experience of these two specialist chips in comparison? The application is the VAG 1.8T,20 valve fitted to an Octavia RS that is the same engine spec as the Audi TT 180 version.
Just what is the conversion from Nm. to lbf.ft as they claim peak torque of 310 Nm?
Just what is the conversion from Nm. to lbf.ft as they claim peak torque of 310 Nm?
Hi Chris
If I were you I'd be more interested in where peak torque occurs than the absolute figure. They should have some 'before and after' power and torque curves - compare the two manufacturers and see whose is preferable. (You want lots of low-down torque and no flatspots).
Hope this helps.
roadsweeper.
If I were you I'd be more interested in where peak torque occurs than the absolute figure. They should have some 'before and after' power and torque curves - compare the two manufacturers and see whose is preferable. (You want lots of low-down torque and no flatspots).
Hope this helps.
roadsweeper.
Hi
The Superchips peaks at 3600 at 207 lbf.ft and this is actual rolling road figure as seen on the car whereas the MTM figures are as per curve they supplied me and give 329NM peak at similar 3500 but tails off much quicker than the SS chip - difficult to read their scanned in curve.
The other thing is price: Superchips is at least £250 less than MTM.
Chris
The Superchips peaks at 3600 at 207 lbf.ft and this is actual rolling road figure as seen on the car whereas the MTM figures are as per curve they supplied me and give 329NM peak at similar 3500 but tails off much quicker than the SS chip - difficult to read their scanned in curve.
The other thing is price: Superchips is at least £250 less than MTM.
Chris
roadsweeper said: Hi Chris
If I were you I'd be more interested in where peak torque occurs than the absolute figure. They should have some 'before and after' power and torque curves - compare the two manufacturers and see whose is preferable. (You want lots of low-down torque and no flatspots).
Hope this helps.
roadsweeper.
Pete,
The Superchips figures were rolling roaded on my car and I am pleased with the results to a point but they are not as good as what they, or MTM claim on their website adverts.
Chris
The Superchips figures were rolling roaded on my car and I am pleased with the results to a point but they are not as good as what they, or MTM claim on their website adverts.
Chris
Pete Cros said: It dosen't matter what the sales pitch says. Without a rolling road/dyno graph of your car, before and after fitment of eproms (chips), how can you tell what the figures are.
Chris,
Exactly. A sales pitch, IMHO, never reproduces the figures on your own car. So, how do you know that MTM claim will be better than the SuperChip claim?. The only way to prove it is; before and after tests of both chips, on your own car.
The rolling road/dyno figures should include an adjustment amount to some specification, e.g. BS 122345 type number. This will ensure that humidity/air pressure/temperature doesn't give false readings.
The figures that I can find for a 180 20v are +30bhp +50 lbsft torque. With the rider of these figures are an estimate, dyno graph figures of your car will testify to actual increases.
If you want to chat to someone about it, try Geoff at AmD 01869 323205 www.auto-amd.com/
Good luck
Pete
>> Edited by Pete Cros on Tuesday 22 October 13:18
Exactly. A sales pitch, IMHO, never reproduces the figures on your own car. So, how do you know that MTM claim will be better than the SuperChip claim?. The only way to prove it is; before and after tests of both chips, on your own car.
The rolling road/dyno figures should include an adjustment amount to some specification, e.g. BS 122345 type number. This will ensure that humidity/air pressure/temperature doesn't give false readings.
The figures that I can find for a 180 20v are +30bhp +50 lbsft torque. With the rider of these figures are an estimate, dyno graph figures of your car will testify to actual increases.
If you want to chat to someone about it, try Geoff at AmD 01869 323205 www.auto-amd.com/
Good luck
Pete
>> Edited by Pete Cros on Tuesday 22 October 13:18
Pete,
Well my experience was +36lbf.ft and + 20 bhp when comparing before and after results on the same rolling road, on the same day.
The bad part is that this is some way below what is advertised and the good part is that it has a positive increase in torque and power across the rev range.Like most people I am never satisifed. I didn't find AMD very helpful as they act as agents for the US company and dont know much about the subject unless your contact is a techy.
Chris
Well my experience was +36lbf.ft and + 20 bhp when comparing before and after results on the same rolling road, on the same day.
The bad part is that this is some way below what is advertised and the good part is that it has a positive increase in torque and power across the rev range.Like most people I am never satisifed. I didn't find AMD very helpful as they act as agents for the US company and dont know much about the subject unless your contact is a techy.
Chris
Pete Cros said: Chris,
Exactly. A sales pitch, IMHO, never reproduces the figures on your own car. So, how do you know that MTM claim will be better than the SuperChip claim?. The only way to prove it is; before and after tests of both chips, on your own car.
The rolling road/dyno figures should include an adjustment amount to some specification, e.g. BS 122345 type number. This will ensure that humidity/air pressure/temperature doesn't give false readings.
The figures that I can find for a 180 20v are +30bhp +50 lbsft torque. With the rider of these figures are an estimate, dyno graph figures of your car will testify to actual increases.
If you want to chat to someone about it, try Geoff at AmD 01869 323205 www.auto-amd.com/
Good luck
Pete
>> Edited by Pete Cros on Tuesday 22 October 13:18
Are we talking about the same AMD where Geoff physically writes the parameters down whilst the car is on the rolling road, adjusts them for best driving characteristics, and then blows his own EEPROMs?
AFAIK AMD are not the agents for anyone else - however they do supply a lot of other companies with 'standard' uprated chips.
AFAIK AMD are not the agents for anyone else - however they do supply a lot of other companies with 'standard' uprated chips.
Yes, its Geoff that you need to talk to. I understand the 'not very helpful' comment. But, get hold of Geoff and he will talk for hours about his speciality.
I do know of some customers who haven't been impressed with AmD. So my comments should be taken in context. Not as a 'AmD is fantastic'. But, Geoff does know his stuff.
My car has had AmD eproms for the past five years. But, thats all that I have had from AmD. Since then, I use Bob Watson. The car has had rolling road/dyno session by BW in the past three weeks.
I do know of some customers who haven't been impressed with AmD. So my comments should be taken in context. Not as a 'AmD is fantastic'. But, Geoff does know his stuff.
My car has had AmD eproms for the past five years. But, thats all that I have had from AmD. Since then, I use Bob Watson. The car has had rolling road/dyno session by BW in the past three weeks.
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