37 & 36 in a 30, jailed for 6 months…
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… because the husband and wife police employees perverted the course of justice.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-644017...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-644017...
Wonder why they investigated. I’d of thought she accepted the offence took the fine etc and that would be the end of it. Unless they’ve been grassed on by someone.
Also that’s a harsh penalty for a menial crime. You see those on the likes of traffic cops robbing cars, no licence etc who get less.
Also that’s a harsh penalty for a menial crime. You see those on the likes of traffic cops robbing cars, no licence etc who get less.
Geffg said:
Wonder why they investigated. I’d of thought she accepted the offence took the fine etc and that would be the end of it. Unless they’ve been grassed on by someone.
Also that’s a harsh penalty for a menial crime. You see those on the likes of traffic cops robbing cars, no licence etc who get less.
like most people i bet they couldn't keep their yaps shut and someone grassed them Also that’s a harsh penalty for a menial crime. You see those on the likes of traffic cops robbing cars, no licence etc who get less.
if your going to do something naughty never tell anyone about it
Geffg said:
Wonder why they investigated. I’d of thought she accepted the offence took the fine etc and that would be the end of it. Unless they’ve been grassed on by someone.
Also that’s a harsh penalty for a menial crime. You see those on the likes of traffic cops robbing cars, no licence etc who get less.
Isn't it perverting the course of justice - also being a serving plod would have increased his sentence, deservedly Also that’s a harsh penalty for a menial crime. You see those on the likes of traffic cops robbing cars, no licence etc who get less.
Geffg said:
Also that’s a harsh penalty for a menial crime. You see those on the likes of traffic cops robbing cars, no licence etc who get less.
There's the rub thoughThe speeding offences were trivial, but we know motorists get hit for transgressions more than others.
Perverting justice though is massive crime though, with a maximum sentence of life.
They would have known this - zero sympathy.
Two things for me though:
- scumbags lie all the time in court - ie not guilty pleas that are proved false. Why aren't they treated as harshly? Yes, they get the penalty for the crime, but the principle of what they're doing is identical.
- the wife gets a suspended sentence, the bloke doesn't, because of the impact on the kids. Why? Why doesn't the bloke look after the kids and the wife get a non suspended sentence? * Or why don't they share it? Given the crime was identically committed by both of them
- I know why of course, because the bloke won't have a clue which kid needs taking where, when, with what or won't even know what's for tea tonight.
DodgyGeezer said:
Geffg said:
Wonder why they investigated. I’d of thought she accepted the offence took the fine etc and that would be the end of it. Unless they’ve been grassed on by someone.
Also that’s a harsh penalty for a menial crime. You see those on the likes of traffic cops robbing cars, no licence etc who get less.
Isn't it perverting the course of justice - also being a serving plod would have increased his sentence, deservedly Also that’s a harsh penalty for a menial crime. You see those on the likes of traffic cops robbing cars, no licence etc who get less.
Perverting the Course of Justice is seen as a very serious crime - and can actually carry a life sentence.
It is a common misconception that people involved are receiving a harsh sentence for what is viewed as a relatively trivial matter e.g. lying about a speeding offence. They are not being sentenced for that, they are being sentenced for doing something that tried to help them evade justice. Very different matter.
Ian Geary said:
Geffg said:
Also that’s a harsh penalty for a menial crime. You see those on the likes of traffic cops robbing cars, no licence etc who get less.
There's the rub thoughThe speeding offences were trivial, but we know motorists get hit for transgressions more than others.
Perverting justice though is massive crime though, with a maximum sentence of life.
They would have known this - zero sympathy.
Two things for me though:
- scumbags lie all the time in court - ie not guilty pleas that are proved false. Why aren't they treated as harshly? Yes, they get the penalty for the crime, but the principle of what they're doing is identical.
- the wife gets a suspended sentence, the bloke doesn't, because of the impact on the kids. Why? Why doesn't the bloke look after the kids and the wife get a non suspended sentence? * Or why don't they share it? Given the crime was identically committed by both of them
- I know why of course, because the bloke won't have a clue which kid needs taking where, when, with what or won't even know what's for tea tonight.
SeekerOfTruthAndPies said:
This. (As stated in the OP's initial post).
Perverting the Course of Justice is seen as a very serious crime - and can actually carry a life sentence.
It is a common misconception that people involved are receiving a harsh sentence for what is viewed as a relatively trivial matter e.g. lying about a speeding offence. They are not being sentenced for that, they are being sentenced for doing something that tried to help them evade justice. Very different matter.
Life sentence by virtue of being a common law offence - rather than a maximum set by Parliament.Perverting the Course of Justice is seen as a very serious crime - and can actually carry a life sentence.
It is a common misconception that people involved are receiving a harsh sentence for what is viewed as a relatively trivial matter e.g. lying about a speeding offence. They are not being sentenced for that, they are being sentenced for doing something that tried to help them evade justice. Very different matter.
There isn't a sentencing guideline for this offence. The pending guideline is interesting. The worst type of PCJ (category 1) has a proposed range of 2-7 years immediate custody.
Isn't this the same as former MP Chris Huhne's "defence"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Huhne
Didn't end well for him, either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Huhne
Didn't end well for him, either.
agtlaw said:
SeekerOfTruthAndPies said:
This. (As stated in the OP's initial post).
Perverting the Course of Justice is seen as a very serious crime - and can actually carry a life sentence.
It is a common misconception that people involved are receiving a harsh sentence for what is viewed as a relatively trivial matter e.g. lying about a speeding offence. They are not being sentenced for that, they are being sentenced for doing something that tried to help them evade justice. Very different matter.
Life sentence by virtue of being a common law offence - rather than a maximum set by Parliament.Perverting the Course of Justice is seen as a very serious crime - and can actually carry a life sentence.
It is a common misconception that people involved are receiving a harsh sentence for what is viewed as a relatively trivial matter e.g. lying about a speeding offence. They are not being sentenced for that, they are being sentenced for doing something that tried to help them evade justice. Very different matter.
There isn't a sentencing guideline for this offence. The pending guideline is interesting. The worst type of PCJ (category 1) has a proposed range of 2-7 years immediate custody.
Dermot O'Logical said:
Isn't this the same as former MP Chris Huhne's "defence"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Huhne
Didn't end well for him, either.
Indeed it was (and his then soon to be ex-wife). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Huhne
Didn't end well for him, either.
Ian Geary said:
- scumbags lie all the time in court - ie not guilty pleas that are proved false. Why aren't they treated as harshly? Yes, they get the penalty for the crime, but the principle of what they're doing is identical.
Perverting is more than the simple telling of an untruth.And where the sentencing for the original crime is the same or more than the likely sentence for the perverting then there's not a great deal of point in the perverting.
agtlaw said:
SeekerOfTruthAndPies said:
Yes, an indictable only offence under common law, but theoretically the maximum sentence remains life.
I wouldn't describe it as a theory. In 2020, the average custodial sentence length for PCJ was 14 months.
agtlaw said:
SeekerOfTruthAndPies said:
I'm not disputing the average custodial sentence, but it can (b)in theory(/b) be a maximum life sentence. But we're arguing semantics.
You've obviously misinterpreted something. Copied and pasted from the CPS website
Perverting the Course of Justice
The offence of Perverting the Course of Justice is committed when an accused:
does an act or series of acts;
which has or have a tendency to pervert; and
which is or are intended to pervert;
the course of public justice.
The offence is contrary to common law and triable only on indictment. It carries a maximum penalty of life imprisonment and/or a fine. The course of justice must be in existence at the time of the act(s).
Link below:
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/public-justi...
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