Stop line, then a give way line - Traffic lights

Stop line, then a give way line - Traffic lights

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anonymous-user

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54 months

Wednesday 15th February 2023
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Hi guys,

I have a question regarding the layout of the attached picture. As there are part time traffic lights, there is a stop line (red circle) and then a give way line (white circle). My question is, when the lights are in use, do you only abide by the stop line, for example if you’ve passed the stop line just as it’s switched to amber, should you technically keep going or stop by the give way line? Thank you in advance for any info.


whimsical ninja

138 posts

27 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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Most likely the lights coordinate with ones on the main road; it's all going to depend on context and I wouldn't make assumptions without knowing the junction. Put it this way, there's a car coming round on the main and I wouldn't be pulling out in front of it unless it was very obviously coming to a stop

Super Sonic

4,837 posts

54 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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I would definitely look before proceeding over the give way line. If there was a car coming I would give way. Surprised you have to ask.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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I should have also mentioned that the solid white line in front of the silver car is actually traffic light controlled too.
Furthermore it is a roundabout, not a main road.

Therefore if on amber on the road I have highlighted entering the roundabout, the oncoming traffic would still be at Red.


ScoobyChris

1,684 posts

202 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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JenAGH67 said:
I should have also mentioned that the solid white line in front of the silver car is actually traffic light controlled too.
Furthermore it is a roundabout, not a main road.

Therefore if on amber on the road I have highlighted entering the roundabout, the oncoming traffic would still be at Red.
I don't think it matters. Before joining the roundabout, you will look right to make sure it is safe to do so. If it's not (cyclists/cars/emergency vehicles sometimes jump lights), you'll slow and give way as established traffic on the roundabout has priority. If it is you accelerate and join as normal.

Is there more background to this question?

Chris

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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My question was more regarding - if just as the front axle of a car has approached the stop line/lights and the lights have switched from green to amber, should you (pertaining it is clear from oncoming traffic/no cars going through red light) carry onto the roundabout OR should you wait at the give way line (if also clear from oncoming traffic/no cars going through red light)?

Hopefully that makes sense

ScoobyChris

1,684 posts

202 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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JenAGH67 said:
My question was more regarding - if just as the front axle of a car has approached the stop line/lights and the lights have switched from green to amber, should you (pertaining it is clear from oncoming traffic/no cars going through red light) carry onto the roundabout OR should you wait at the give way line (if also clear from oncoming traffic/no cars going through red light)?

Hopefully that makes sense
I think you need to treat the two separately. If you have passed the traffic lights, normal roundabout rules apply at the give way line (planning to stop, hoping to go) and it's no different to if the lights are off, other than you have a bit of additional information that approaching cars are likely to be held at the traffic lights.

Chris


Edited by ScoobyChris on Thursday 16th February 11:35

Pica-Pica

13,802 posts

84 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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JenAGH67 said:
My question was more regarding - if just as the front axle of a car has approached the stop line/lights and the lights have switched from green to amber, should you (pertaining it is clear from oncoming traffic/no cars going through red light) carry onto the roundabout OR should you wait at the give way line (if also clear from oncoming traffic/no cars going through red light)?

Hopefully that makes sense
Yes, carry on into the roundabout if clear and safe. Once they have been passed, the lights and solid stop line are irrelevant to the next phase, it becomes a ‘normal’ roundabout.

So: Stop before the solid line if a red light is showing. Proceed with caution if no light or a green light is showing, using the dotted line as marking the entry to the roundabout (always treat green lights as if someone is going to ‘run a red’ ).

(Treat a single amber light and your proximity to it as appropriate, and as discussed many times on here. ALWAYS know what is behind you and how close at all times, especially as you approach somewhere where you may be required to make a stop)

Super Sonic

4,837 posts

54 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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JenAGH67 said:
...wait at the give way line (if also clear from oncoming traffic/no cars going through red light)?

Hopefully that makes sense
Do you usually wait at a give way line if nothing is coming?

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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Thank you all for your informative answers. I get the rationale of treating it like a normal roundabout following your explanation of the stop/give way lines.

However if there is a set of traffic lights also opposite the give way lines (see blue star) would you still proceed through then (if on amber like the above scenario discussed)?

Note - yellow dots are traffic lights also

I think what I’m trying to get as is whether - if the lights changed to amber as you just approached the STOP line, should you realistically stop at the GIVE WAY line or carry onwards as in relation to the Highway Code ‘the only exception is if the driver is too close to the lights to stop safelly’. Does that only apply to the stop line or give way?


Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 16th February 11:51

ScoobyChris

1,684 posts

202 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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JenAGH67 said:
However if there is a set of traffic lights also opposite the give way lines (see blue star) would you still proceed through then (if on amber like the above scenario discussed)?
Yes - traffic lights apply to the stop line. If I am passed the stop line, I then treat the roundabout as usual.

Chris

Pica-Pica

13,802 posts

84 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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ScoobyChris said:
JenAGH67 said:
However if there is a set of traffic lights also opposite the give way lines (see blue star) would you still proceed through then (if on amber like the above scenario discussed)?
Yes - traffic lights apply to the stop line. If I am passed the stop line, I then treat the roundabout as usual.

Chris
The opposite (distant) traffic lights are just an additional set, for drivers/riders who are looking in the distance and may not see the closer ones at the stop line.
To repeat, once past the stop line, continual as a normal roundabout. That applies even if you have gone though on amber or even on red.

To add. You have asked a good question, many people panic or are confused by this arrangement. Once you have passed the traffic-light stop line, anything beyond is a new situation and should be treated as the new situation presents itself.

Edited by Pica-Pica on Thursday 16th February 12:42

col711

28 posts

49 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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As the traffic signals are part-time the give way line at the roundabout is required. If the traffic signals were permanent no give way line would be present. So, when the signals are in operation obey them and if necessary stop at the solid line. If they signals are not in use proceed past the stop line and treat the roundabout as normal.

Grumps.

6,296 posts

36 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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OP seems to have real issues with roundabouts and general driving skills, so i in am glad I don’t have to share the road with them.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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Grumps. said:
OP seems to have real issues with roundabouts and general driving skills, so i in am glad I don’t have to share the road with them.
I don’t see why this comment has been made. I’m looking for driving advice to improve my awareness and skills. Have a nice day anyway!

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Thursday 16th February 2023
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Thank you all for your very informative advice and help regarding this, it has definitely allowed for me to further my understanding of road situations like this.