718 GT4 vs 991 Carrera T
Discussion
Hi,
I just sold my 718 GT4 because I didn't like the exhaust sound when driving around (even with the exhaust valves continuously open), I missed a sunroof and I disliked the long gearing.
Now I am looking into a 991 Carrera T. Does this car sound 'better' than a 718 GT4 with OPF? What in comparison with a 997 Carrera GTS? I think performance-wise on the street they are all at the same level, but I just want some more audible enjoyment than I had with the 718 GT4.
Cheers
I just sold my 718 GT4 because I didn't like the exhaust sound when driving around (even with the exhaust valves continuously open), I missed a sunroof and I disliked the long gearing.
Now I am looking into a 991 Carrera T. Does this car sound 'better' than a 718 GT4 with OPF? What in comparison with a 997 Carrera GTS? I think performance-wise on the street they are all at the same level, but I just want some more audible enjoyment than I had with the 718 GT4.
Cheers
I’ve had both. I think you need to go and drive one if you can. I think the GT4 has a much more mechanical and raspy sound in the car than the T. But the people I go out driving with say that the T is much louder when they where following it. They could even hear the turbo spoiling up (which you can from inside the car as well if the window is cracked open) which I think is pretty cool.
But really you need to go and try one and see what you think.
My 997.2 GTS with Sharkwerks bypass pipes was still by far the best sounding of those three.
But really you need to go and try one and see what you think.
My 997.2 GTS with Sharkwerks bypass pipes was still by far the best sounding of those three.
mr pg said:
Crazy4557 said:
At least you can improve the sound of the T by fitting a decent exhaust but you can't change the 718 GT4's gearing so the 911T is the better bet out of those two based on your dislikes.
RPM Technik do revised gear ratios so it is possible to get shorter gearing.
I went from 997 GTS to 991T. I can’t believe that I have almost had the T for 5 years now, the longest I have kept a Porsche. It is a fabulous all rounder and, to me, one of those cars that adds up to more than the sum of its parts. I love it.
It doesn’t sound anywhere near as good as a 997GTS though at higher revs. Thing is, with the T, you don’t generally go round bouncing it off the limiter, it’s quite torquey. As above, the turbo swoosh can be quite amusing too if you crack the window open a little.
It doesn’t sound anywhere near as good as a 997GTS though at higher revs. Thing is, with the T, you don’t generally go round bouncing it off the limiter, it’s quite torquey. As above, the turbo swoosh can be quite amusing too if you crack the window open a little.
rob.kellock said:
I went from 997 GTS to 991T. I can’t believe that I have almost had the T for 5 years now, the longest I have kept a Porsche. It is a fabulous all rounder and, to me, one of those cars that adds up to more than the sum of its parts. I love it.
It doesn’t sound anywhere near as good as a 997GTS though at higher revs. Thing is, with the T, you don’t generally go round bouncing it off the limiter, it’s quite torquey. As above, the turbo swoosh can be quite amusing too if you crack the window open a little.
Nice that you've kept the faith, Rob. I'd assumed you'd moved on by now. It doesn’t sound anywhere near as good as a 997GTS though at higher revs. Thing is, with the T, you don’t generally go round bouncing it off the limiter, it’s quite torquey. As above, the turbo swoosh can be quite amusing too if you crack the window open a little.
Dominique997GTS said:
Hi,
I just sold my 718 GT4 because I didn't like the exhaust sound when driving around (even with the exhaust valves continuously open), I missed a sunroof and I disliked the long gearing.
Now I am looking into a 991 Carrera T. Does this car sound 'better' than a 718 GT4 with OPF? What in comparison with a 997 Carrera GTS? I think performance-wise on the street they are all at the same level, but I just want some more audible enjoyment than I had with the 718 GT4.
Cheers
I’ve had both a 718 GT4 and 991 Carrera T, and overall, I preferred the Carrera T.I just sold my 718 GT4 because I didn't like the exhaust sound when driving around (even with the exhaust valves continuously open), I missed a sunroof and I disliked the long gearing.
Now I am looking into a 991 Carrera T. Does this car sound 'better' than a 718 GT4 with OPF? What in comparison with a 997 Carrera GTS? I think performance-wise on the street they are all at the same level, but I just want some more audible enjoyment than I had with the 718 GT4.
Cheers
I found the chassis marginally better on the 718 GT4, and the PSM mapping allowed quite a bit more slip than the Carrera T; that would intervene and spoil the fun at relatively small slip angles…so if you want some fun with more slip angle, you’ve got to switch the PSM off.
I was never a fan of the sound the 718 GT4 made, it just doesn’t feel that special, but I was quite amused by the noise the cylinder deactivation made on a very light throttle.
Beyond the actual engine noise, the Carrera T makes a wide variety of subtle noises, some of which other posters have noted - turbo and wastegate noises for example…
I may be alone here in not being a particular fan of the 997 GTS. As I understand it, it’s the same engine as went in the 991.1 GTS too, and I was never a fan of that engine either. To me, the 3.8 M96 engine in the 997.1 sounds better.
Anyway, go with a 991.2 Carrera T, it’s a great car, and my favourite of all the cars I’ve mentioned above.
Thank you all for the interesting and useful comments!
I like to keep my cars stock.. gearing, exhaust etc.. so they'd better be good from the factory! In my opinion, the 718 GT4 was not on both.
I liked the exhaust note of my 997 GTS more, even not wringing it out, but just driving around town. After reading the comments, I guess there the T will do a great job too. Gearing of the 997 and the T will be about the same, the T will have more torque though.
I went to see a yellow T today: sunroof, manual, full leather dash, PSE (obviously).. such a magnificent car, sounded great on start-up, the only thing for now is the color. I have always been a 'low-profile' guy on the color (as if you can be while driving a Porsche) so yellow will require some getting used to..
I like to keep my cars stock.. gearing, exhaust etc.. so they'd better be good from the factory! In my opinion, the 718 GT4 was not on both.
I liked the exhaust note of my 997 GTS more, even not wringing it out, but just driving around town. After reading the comments, I guess there the T will do a great job too. Gearing of the 997 and the T will be about the same, the T will have more torque though.
I went to see a yellow T today: sunroof, manual, full leather dash, PSE (obviously).. such a magnificent car, sounded great on start-up, the only thing for now is the color. I have always been a 'low-profile' guy on the color (as if you can be while driving a Porsche) so yellow will require some getting used to..
7184c said:
Is a sunroof or open top essential?
I have a t and the sound is not going to compare to your 997. Even my kids say it is quiet compared to prev 981 with PSE.
If you don’t have the need for rear seats the 981 2.7 box with PSe might be worth a shout.
Yes a sunroof is definitely essential.I have a t and the sound is not going to compare to your 997. Even my kids say it is quiet compared to prev 981 with PSE.
If you don’t have the need for rear seats the 981 2.7 box with PSe might be worth a shout.
Is the T really more quiet than a 997? Compared to a 997.1 ok, but to a 997.2? I found my 997.2 GTS with fully standard PSE not particularly loud.
Schuey_911 said:
mr pg said:
Crazy4557 said:
At least you can improve the sound of the T by fitting a decent exhaust but you can't change the 718 GT4's gearing so the 911T is the better bet out of those two based on your dislikes.
RPM Technik do revised gear ratios so it is possible to get shorter gearing.Sharkwerks said:
The most common complaint among journalists and enthusiasts for the GT4 is that the gears are just too long for the 3.8L engine in this chassis. The ideal solution would be a complete re-gearing of 1st through 6th gears. However, that comes at an enormous cost for small batch parts and engineering 1st and 2nd gears will likely not be an option for years, if ever.
We have tested re-gearing on our own project GT4 and have settled on a solution that changes 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears to shorter, closer ratios (approx difference is 14% in 3rd, 18% in 4th, and 16% in 5th). This allows shifting to 3rd gear sooner when needed, or staying in 2nd til the normal shift point and jumping to a better position in the powerband in 3rd, and staying in 3rd gear in more situations (ie mid-low speed corners) with improved acceleration. By shortening 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears, you have closer ratios and stay in the powerband longer through typical top speeds, and will be able to retain the original freeway overdrive gear, since 6th gear is unchanged.
We have tested re-gearing on our own project GT4 and have settled on a solution that changes 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears to shorter, closer ratios (approx difference is 14% in 3rd, 18% in 4th, and 16% in 5th). This allows shifting to 3rd gear sooner when needed, or staying in 2nd til the normal shift point and jumping to a better position in the powerband in 3rd, and staying in 3rd gear in more situations (ie mid-low speed corners) with improved acceleration. By shortening 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears, you have closer ratios and stay in the powerband longer through typical top speeds, and will be able to retain the original freeway overdrive gear, since 6th gear is unchanged.
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