911/964 as 2nd car
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Hi all, been pondering purchasing a 911 (3.2) or maybe 964 as a 2nd car. Never owned a 911 (had a 944 turbo se) but am wondering what the best models are to look for. My budget would be around £15-16k. I understand targas arent that well liked. What 911 model is best? supersport 3.2? What are your guys experiences of running these older cars? Is a 964 a big leap over 911 in terms of performance driving?
any thoughts appreciated
>> Edited by davey68 on Monday 22 August 10:06
any thoughts appreciated
>> Edited by davey68 on Monday 22 August 10:06
Drive both, see which one you prefer. You will see how much more modern the 964 is to drive, but at the same time a tidy 964 is still likely to cost you more to run than a tidy 3.2 will.
Having said that, if you only do 5k miles a year in it, then the difference is likely to be a few hundred quid, so who cares?
You only live once (unless you're a buddhist?), so drive both and pick the one you like better. And then post pictures here so we can all share the joy!
VS
Having said that, if you only do 5k miles a year in it, then the difference is likely to be a few hundred quid, so who cares?
You only live once (unless you're a buddhist?), so drive both and pick the one you like better. And then post pictures here so we can all share the joy!
VS
I think the 964 is a much better balanced car on the road and certainly round a track it will inspire more confidence. It was the biggest leap model to model that Porsche have ever made with the 911. The 3.2 is the last of the old generation and can be traced back to the year dot. The 964 is the first of the new generation cars and is in the same family as the 993 / 996 / 997.
One is not better than the other, they are just different. As Pete wisely says look at both and decide for yourself. Don`t get too wrapped up with specific variants given the age of the cars, buy the individually better car.
Henry
One is not better than the other, they are just different. As Pete wisely says look at both and decide for yourself. Don`t get too wrapped up with specific variants given the age of the cars, buy the individually better car.
Henry
Henry-F said:
Don`t get too wrapped up with specific variants given the age of the cars, buy the individually better car.
Henry
Dealers always say this as they cannot have all variants in stock. I think the way to view this is that if you do get want a specific variant it may take longer to find a good example of the car you want.
roygarth said:
Don`t get too wrapped up with specific variants given the age of the cars, buy the individually better car.
Henry
Dealers always say this as they cannot have all variants in stock. I think the way to view this is that if you do get want a specific variant it may take longer to find a good example of the car you want.
Either that or you'll never find the car with an arrow pointing to it with your name on. You'll spend all your time travelling to dealers' sites and wasting there time. Eventually they'll give up on you. Your missus will also embark on an extra marital affair because you're always travelling around to Porsche specialists.
You also won't have a 911.
simonharrod911 said:
Henry-F said:
Don`t get too wrapped up with specific variants given the age of the cars, buy the individually better car.
Henry
Dealers always say this as they cannot have all variants in stock. I think the way to view this is that if you do get want a specific variant it may take longer to find a good example of the car you want.
Either that or you'll never find the car with an arrow pointing to it with your name on. You'll spend all your time travelling to dealers' sites and wasting there time. Eventually they'll give up on you. Your missus will also embark on an extra marital affair because you're always travelling around to Porsche specialists.
You also won't have a 911.
Alternatively ring the specialists and tell them what you are looking for. Ask them to ring you when they have a car close to your spec. Not exactly rocket science. Someone should write a software package to help dealers handle this type of very complicated enquiry.
agree with henry f..buy the better car.
i had same dilemma last year.drove a few 964's and just didnt get it..in retrospect they where probably bad cars..
then saw my 3.2
love at first sight.its been amazing .everyday.
wouldnt change it..anyway why the 2nd car thing?
i use this 14yr old car come rain or shine and its a peach.
originally i did buy it as 2nd car but recently flogged the first.
because i no longer wanted to drive the thing..
i had same dilemma last year.drove a few 964's and just didnt get it..in retrospect they where probably bad cars..
then saw my 3.2
love at first sight.its been amazing .everyday.
wouldnt change it..anyway why the 2nd car thing?
i use this 14yr old car come rain or shine and its a peach.
originally i did buy it as 2nd car but recently flogged the first.
because i no longer wanted to drive the thing..
[/quote]Dealers always say this as they cannot have all variants in stock. I think the way to view this is that if you do get want a specific variant it may take longer to find a good example of the car you want.[/quote]
You lot are bloody hard work sometimes. At what point will you realise that I`m not actually trying to sell cars here. I`m not so transparent as to try and steer people into specific cars on our stock list, were I to do that then I feel fairly sure I would be jumped on from all angles and hung out to dry on this forum.
I keep saying it but you need to differentiate between buying a car of the age that Davey is looking for and buying something much newer. I`m currently learning to fly a helicopter and each time you input in one direction it causes a reaction somewhere else. So it is with buying old metal. One bit is perfect but the other part sucks. You can sit there for ever and you may hit lucky, but more likely you`ll end up compramising the quality of your purchase by being too specific.
Not only that but most people`s parameters are dreamed up without their knowing that much about the specifics. I don`t want to buy a 4 wheel drive 911 because I once drove a tractor and it was horrible. Or I don`t want a 2 wheel drive car because I`ve heard they are really tail happy and slide around everywhere, so the list goes on.
I do it for a living and my own personal cars are bought with an open mind and I`m led by what`s on the market.
Henry
You lot are bloody hard work sometimes. At what point will you realise that I`m not actually trying to sell cars here. I`m not so transparent as to try and steer people into specific cars on our stock list, were I to do that then I feel fairly sure I would be jumped on from all angles and hung out to dry on this forum.
I keep saying it but you need to differentiate between buying a car of the age that Davey is looking for and buying something much newer. I`m currently learning to fly a helicopter and each time you input in one direction it causes a reaction somewhere else. So it is with buying old metal. One bit is perfect but the other part sucks. You can sit there for ever and you may hit lucky, but more likely you`ll end up compramising the quality of your purchase by being too specific.
Not only that but most people`s parameters are dreamed up without their knowing that much about the specifics. I don`t want to buy a 4 wheel drive 911 because I once drove a tractor and it was horrible. Or I don`t want a 2 wheel drive car because I`ve heard they are really tail happy and slide around everywhere, so the list goes on.
I do it for a living and my own personal cars are bought with an open mind and I`m led by what`s on the market.
Henry
roygarth said:
roygarth said:
Henry-F said:
Don`t get too wrapped up with specific variants given the age of the cars, buy the individually better car.
Henry
Dealers always say this as they cannot have all variants in stock. I think the way to view this is that if you do get want a specific variant it may take longer to find a good example of the car you want.
Either that or you'll never find the car with an arrow pointing to it with your name on. You'll spend all your time travelling to dealers' sites and wasting there time. Eventually they'll give up on you. Your missus will also embark on an extra marital affair because you're always travelling around to Porsche specialists.
You also won't have a 911.
Alternatively ring the specialists and tell them what you are looking for. Ask them to ring you when they have a car close to your spec. Not exactly rocket science. Someone should write a software package to help dealers handle this type of very complicated enquiry.
We produce dealer management systems for the retail motor industry. All our systems have exactly the functionality you have descibed as part of a prospecting module.
None of the dealers use it. Most of them sell what's in front of them to who's in front of them. Usually with good reason.
I was basically in the same position as you this time last year with a similar budget. I went for a 3.2 Carrera Supersport Targa in the end and I love it (see my profile). I wouldn't try and argue it is a better car than the 964 but this one appealed to me more than any others I tried. Personally, I love the Targa top for 2 reasons. Firstly the ventilation system is crap and secondly I get to hear that wonderful engine screaming away. I would definitely get the car inspected before you buy. My car had loads of bits and pieces that didn't work (all of which I've now had fixed) but all the important areas like the body, engine etc were in tip top condition. In the end it's all about personal taste. It would be a real boring world if we all liked the same thing.. Happy hunting
Mach said:
I was basically in the same position as you this time last year with a similar budget. I went for a 3.2 Carrera Supersport Targa in the end and I love it (see my profile). I wouldn't try and argue it is a better car than the 964 but this one appealed to me more than any others I tried. Personally, I love the Targa top for 2 reasons. Firstly the ventilation system is crap and secondly I get to hear that wonderful engine screaming away. I would definitely get the car inspected before you buy. My car had loads of bits and pieces that didn't work (all of which I've now had fixed) but all the important areas like the body, engine etc were in tip top condition. In the end it's all about personal taste. It would be a real boring world if we all liked the same thing.. Happy hunting
It pisses me off when people keep going on about targas being 2nd rate cars. Most of it comes from the constantly recycled opinion of Peter Morgan. I think the SSE targa is a fantastic looking machine, the wide arches really complement that roof style.
There is alot of sensible talk here (nice Targa Andrew). I have finally ended a 5 month 27 car search for my 911 trying 3.2, 964 and LHD 993. My advise is not to jump at the first shiny car you see. As a novice, it is so easy to fall in love with the first shiny 911 you see.
1. See lots of cars (travel)
2. Drive as many as possible
3. Ask questions to gain "the knowledge"(especially people like Henry and his brother)
4. Read the forums
5. Seriously consider a PPI for £150'ish
and you will eventually get the right car that will reward the effort.
1. See lots of cars (travel)
2. Drive as many as possible
3. Ask questions to gain "the knowledge"(especially people like Henry and his brother)
4. Read the forums
5. Seriously consider a PPI for £150'ish
and you will eventually get the right car that will reward the effort.
Hi Davey,
Yes, it's the 231 bhp version. I had it put on the rolling road at Ninemeister and it's actually putting out 237 bhp. They also fitted a sports exhaust which makes it sound superb.
I totally agree with Simon that the wide body sets off the Targa top really well. I think they can look a little top heavy with the standard body. If you are after every last ounce of performance however, you do need to bear in mind that the wide body adds some weight. However, that was offset for me by the looks, the Turbo suspension and the Turbo brakes which I think are superb for an 18 year old car. The other slight consideration is that removing the roof does result in some body shake, which means ultimately it doesn't handle quite as well as a hard top. However, I think you'd need to be a far better driver than me to spot the difference!
Overall, I'm chuffed to bits with the car. It has been to Spa Francorchamps this summer and Le Mans. I made no allowance whatsoever for its age in the way I drove it and it performed impeccably.
As I said, it's all down to personal choice but I feel this car oozes character and I just didn't feel that in the 964's I tried.
Yes, it's the 231 bhp version. I had it put on the rolling road at Ninemeister and it's actually putting out 237 bhp. They also fitted a sports exhaust which makes it sound superb.
I totally agree with Simon that the wide body sets off the Targa top really well. I think they can look a little top heavy with the standard body. If you are after every last ounce of performance however, you do need to bear in mind that the wide body adds some weight. However, that was offset for me by the looks, the Turbo suspension and the Turbo brakes which I think are superb for an 18 year old car. The other slight consideration is that removing the roof does result in some body shake, which means ultimately it doesn't handle quite as well as a hard top. However, I think you'd need to be a far better driver than me to spot the difference!
Overall, I'm chuffed to bits with the car. It has been to Spa Francorchamps this summer and Le Mans. I made no allowance whatsoever for its age in the way I drove it and it performed impeccably.
As I said, it's all down to personal choice but I feel this car oozes character and I just didn't feel that in the 964's I tried.
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