F Pace has possibly committed engine suicide

[TheHighlander]

As above

The infamous F Pace Sport 2.0D

So the story goes

Wife called me on Wednesday to say the F Pace cut out and was sluggish.

Today I took it a run and it didn’t feel right
Then critical oil level light came on (oil level is fine)
Went to fire it up and it wound over then started
Ran Ok for a few miles to get it to a safe place
Then started sound ruff.

It has been needing a cam sensor which is due to arrive on Monday
BUT I think the timing chain tensioners have failed or it’s jumped/stretched

The rattle is from the rear of the engine where the chain is and not the bottom end.
Sluggish to start

https://youtube.com/shorts/jUfUjmHYldk?feature=sha...

https://youtube.com/shorts/8JutdipksLw?feature=sha...

The sound quality is shocking on the phone.

On Monday we are going to take a proper look at it.

I’m hoping it’s the chains and I’ll buy the kit.

The cheapest engine I’ve found is £3700.

Pray for me 🙈
Oh and it’s out of warranty

[CantDecide]

Not sure if this is the same problem, but there is a long running thread in Readers Cars: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[TheHighlander]

CantDecide said:

Not sure if this is the same problem, but there is a long running thread in Readers Cars: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Thanks for that.

Just putting the kids to bed then going to open some beers, read some more pain on Jaguars and cry myself to sleep😂

We had a Range Rover Sport before this but as usual the wife wouldn’t listen 🙈😂

[littlebasher]

There's a Salvage Rebuild UK video on Youtube where they show an in depth cam chain replacement on an Evoque (to give you an idea). I assume its even more difficult to change on a F Pace being as the chain is at the gearbox end.

[Mij91]

It's like they took they copied all the bad bits of the N47 and took it a long. The engine is a liability.

[TheHighlander]

Mij91 said:

It's like they took they copied all the bad bits of the N47 and took it a long. The engine is a liability.

I’ve bought a JLR disc with all the guides for changing the chains.

Found a good video of a chap doing it on a disco which is similar.

Subframe/gearbox off and go from there.

I need

Special cam locking tool - Amazon £100
Chain kit with tensioners £130
Full service kit - Was already on route from AUTODOC
Cam sensor - Got a genuine one from AUTODOC for £40

Already fitted a new piston cool solenoid and DPF this year - Luckily scored a DPF off a 2000 mile one for £230 in Birmingham 😂

If it’s not the chains it may need a rebuild but I’ll get another engine, fit that then rebuild the other one to sell.

[normalbloke]

TheHighlander said:

Mij91 said:

It's like they took they copied all the bad bits of the N47 and took it a long. The engine is a liability.

I’ve bought a JLR disc with all the guides for changing the chains.

Found a good video of a chap doing it on a disco which is similar.

Subframe/gearbox off and go from there.

I need

Special cam locking tool - Amazon £100
Chain kit with tensioners £130
Full service kit - Was already on route from AUTODOC
Cam sensor - Got a genuine one from AUTODOC for £40

Already fitted a new piston cool solenoid and DPF this year - Luckily scored a DPF off a 2000 mile one for £230 in Birmingham ??

If it’s not the chains it may need a rebuild but I’ll get another engine, fit that then rebuild the other one to sell.

A 2000 mile DPF from Birmingham? Seems cheap…..

[TheHighlander]

Yep came from eBay. All the sensors attached.

Had the flanges cut either side (not on the DPf side) the chap was breaking a couple of SVRs as well.

Sold the knackered DPF to the scrappy for £120 aswell.

[stevemcs]

Are you sure it needed the cam sensor ? It can sometimes indicate chain stretch and it doesn't like what it sees,

[TheHighlander]

stevemcs said:

Are you sure it needed the cam sensor ? It can sometimes indicate chain stretch and it doesn't like what it sees,

It showed the fault last week must of been a warning shot 🙈

Spoke to a Jaguar tech - sent him the videos.

He said it’s definitely the chains he has advised me to get a chain kit with the VVT as well so I’ve ordered that and the tool for it. Will do it week after next.

[interstellar]

Speak to Ecsy on the other thread. He knows these well and seemed totally unphased fixing his.

[surveyor]

interstellar said:

Speak to Ecsy on the other thread. He knows these well and seemed totally unphased fixing his.

He may even be looking to unload some of the tools...

[TheHighlander]

surveyor said:

He may even be looking to unload some of the tools...

Too late I bought the tools - was only £100.

I’m impatience got the better of me. I just want to have everything ready for when we tackle it next week.

[braddo]

Sorry to read about this. Are the petrols just as problematic ?

[Heaveho]

You have my sympathies, but I'll never understand why people put themselves through the trauma of owning this sort of thing.

[finlo]

Should be banned from sale in the UK just foist all these problems on Johnny Foreigner!

[TheHighlander]

Heaveho said:

You have my sympathies, but I'll never understand why people put themselves through the trauma of owning this sort of thing.

Me neither.

When we sold our Range Rover Sport my wife really wanted a F Pace 🙈 I never drive it so I figured it can’t be as bad as a Range Rover.

I was wrong…..

[thelostboy]

The Ingenium 2.0d is just terrifyingly bad. It's great that there seems to be sub-industry of people fixing them if that's the case.

[samoht]

braddo said:

Sorry to read about this. Are the petrols just as problematic ?

Fairly sure the V8 petrol is a safe bet on these.


Good luck OP, as said it seems to be a common issue so hopefully you'll be able to find advice/tools/help as needed.

[honda_exige]

samoht said:

braddo said:

Sorry to read about this. Are the petrols just as problematic ?

Fairly sure the V8 petrol is a safe bet on these.


Good luck OP, as said it seems to be a common issue so hopefully you'll be able to find advice/tools/help as needed.

The SC one? I personally know 2 people who have had the engines expire on their low mileage, not tracked, always serviced F Type SVRs. One paid £13k to fix after getting half paid by Jag via Goodwill and another is currently stuck as he's been quoted £36k by Jag with no Goodwill offer. Jags are generally buckets of st these days.