RE: Mazda 6 MPS | Spotted
RE: Mazda 6 MPS | Spotted
Thursday 2nd March 2023

Mazda 6 MPS | Spotted

Most things four-door, four-wheel drive and Japanese are expensive - not all of them, though...


As enthusiasts, it can be disheartening watching the cars we adore soar in value. Just as we’ve got the money together, so they’ve climbed again. Perhaps no segment has enjoyed more appreciation of late as the rally rep: if it’s fast, four-door and four-wheel drive, it can seem like the sky’s the limit at the moment. Imprezas and Evos were never super cheap cars anyway, but they always seemed accessible - even the special examples. Those days seem a distant memory now, with Tommi Maks and 22Bs now bonafide exotica. Things have moved so far that the Celica GT-Four is becoming sought after.

All is not lost, however. Because if you want a Japanese fast car based on a very ordinary saloon, with a potent four-cylinder turbo engine, four driven wheels and a great manual gearbox, then there is an alternative - the Mazda 6 MPS. Now, of course, it doesn’t have the motorsport kudos or icon status of the Mitsubishi or Subaru - it’s pretty anonymous to all but the most clued up - though it’s hard to argue with the value on offer. Even if, like the very best Impreza or Lancer, it’ll cost quite a lot to run.

The MPS was always a niche choice, even back in the day when the performance saloon below an M3 was still a thing. In the UK we liked our 260hp, £25k cars with a hatch - the 3 MPS was always more popular - just as we liked our Mazdas as MX-5s and we liked our fast four-doors with German badges on them. All of which conspired against the success of the 6, especially as in 2006 you could still buy an actual Impreza or Evo saloon. Without the rally link to lure buyers away, the MPS didn’t seem to have much going for it.

But the hot 6 was well received in period, the effort Mazda has expended - with upgrades like a stiffer body, firmer suspension, a limited-slip rear diff in the four-wheel drive - paying off with a capable, engaging sports saloon. It wasn’t as wild as the rally cars, but it was more interesting than a £24k 3 Series would have been at the time - and most definitely better than a Vectra VXR. Between the Mazda and the Ford Mondeo ST220, buyers had a couple of great fast family cars to choose from, the appeal of the 6’s four-wheel drive not to be underestimated. Obviously, they tended to opt for Audis and Mercs instead, which is why both are now so rare, but a few were willing to take the plunge. Even a decade and a half later, they both have their appeal.

This 6 still has fewer than 70,000 miles on it, with 13 main dealer service stamps in the book. The MPS always felt like the kind of car for a dedicated, knowledgeable sort of buyer - nobody buys a 6 MPS by accident - so it’s good to see all three owners of this one seem to have cherished it. Of its 13 MOTs, 11 have been first-time, clean passes, and the current ticket runs until the end of the year (2022’s was one of the advisory free tests, of course). The advert doesn’t feature any interior pics for the moment, though the outside is very encouraging, wheels and body about as good as could be expected from a £5k, 2007 car.

Alright, £5,990 to be exact - but still. When any performance car of note has soared in value over the past couple of years, that something as interesting, rare and generally decent as the MPS can be yours - in good condition, moreover - for this money looks pretty tempting. It’ll use a lot of fuel and emit a lot of CO2, yes, but it would surely be easier to justify expenditure on something this nice rather than a year’s VED being a third of the car’s value. When even the hatchback Imprezas are more money than this, maybe now is the time for the forgotten Mazda Performance Series.


SPECIFICATION | MAZDA 6 MPS

Engine: 2,261cc 4-cyl, turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 260@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 280@3,000rpm
MPG: 27.7 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 245g/km
First registered: 2007
Recorded mileage: 68,000
Price new: £23,950
Yours for: £5,990

See the original advert here

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Twinair

Original Poster:

1,039 posts

172 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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Always quite liked the look of these back in the day.

Can they be tuned? Are they a reliable motor? What about the 4wd - is that robust? Don’t know much about them tbh…?

If all that checks out - could be the bargain - slightly left field choice…!

Hamo86

40 posts

74 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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Was always a fan of these, nearly everything that came out in the mid 2000s was pretty good!!! Really miss those days

Nearly brought one 5 years back, the rarity of em turned me off a bit so I brought a spec b liberty 2.5T manual instead which I still own and enjoy.

For some reason in Australia the hatch version which was FWD took off and you see quite a few of them modified these day but hardly ever see the sedan version for some reason.

dontlookdown

2,528 posts

123 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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The first series Mazda 6 was a decent car but the engines were pretty forgettable. This one should at least have bit of pep and seems keen value these days.

Don't the MPS's have a rep for eating their own 4wd systems - or is that just pub talk?

ColinGreaves

72 posts

44 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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Twinair said:
Always quite liked the look of these back in the day.

Can they be tuned? Are they a reliable motor? What about the 4wd - is that robust? Don’t know much about them tbh…?

If all that checks out - could be the bargain - slightly left field choice…!
I recall BBR , who like Mazda tuning obviously, did tuning for them and on checking their website they did 290, 320 and 350bhp upgrades at various prices. So in theory you could have a less than £10k 4wd Q car that could surprise a lot of people.

Japan seemed to go through a period of fitting those very cheap looking tail lights, but I guess you cannot see them from the drivers seat, or replace them with something less in your face.

Stripped out with some brake enhancements, lighter wheels and sticky tyres this would make a good track day car. No pressure to match the looks of your car either...

Jester86

682 posts

139 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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Twinair said:
Always quite liked the look of these back in the day.

Can they be tuned? Are they a reliable motor? What about the 4wd - is that robust? Don’t know much about them tbh…?

If all that checks out - could be the bargain - slightly left field choice…!
Same engine as the 3 MPS of the time. Can be tuned to close to 300bhp on stock turbo, but don't get it tuned by BBR or any generic remap company. They need a minimum of HPFP (High Pressure Fuel Pump) internals upgrade as otherwise they can run a little lean on anything but the stock map. Most remaps are carried out by tuners in the US (where the MPS platform is way more popular and catered for) or there is one trusted chap, Justin Heath here in the UK.

My 3 is somewhere between 330-350bhp running turbo, sports cat/catback, HPFP internals, intake and an uprated intercooler.

The engine is known for throwing a leg out of bed, usually by a poor remap, but it can happen on a stock map if you floor the throttle at low rpm, low wheel speed and in high gear. So for example doing 20mph in 6th gear and nailing the throttle. So treat it like an NA motor, or use the gear stick like you are meant to and that is easily mitigated. Timing chains need to be done, which is the most expensive job really on the engine. I had mine done last year for circa £1400 but that included chain, all the VVT tensioners, thermostat, water and oil pumps. Otherwise the VVT starts to fail, timing chain starts to slap and it can slip. Which is bad. Turbo oil seals eventually start to fail, mine did at about 60k miles. But that was a good excuse for a bigger one. Nothing really absolutely catastrophic. Oh, apart from rust.

I don't know too much about the AWD system but I think there are one or 2 little niggles but anyone with a 6 can comment. But the Facebook group isn't filled with tales of AWD's lunching themselves everyday.

Horsebox Man

107 posts

46 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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My friend had a 2006 model year, it was really good around the twisties but the seats were a little too flat on the base to hold you in for what the car was capable of.
An excellent car and his never gave any trouble,
I would go for an early 2006, just for the cheaper tax bracket.

Firebobby

1,005 posts

69 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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Looks good for the money, they rated them over the 330i back in the day. We should chip in to get the dealers Caps Lock button fixed though. I always imagine people shouting when they type in upper case!!

RazerSauber

2,930 posts

90 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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The want is strong but I have no use or space for one, which is a crying shame as this looks like a cracker. If it hasn't been undersealed and cavity waxed then now is the time, too. Unless you keep it garaged in the frosty months, of course.

KTMsm

28,982 posts

293 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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The thing many forget and the reason many "performance cars" are so cheap is weight

The Mazda is too heavy - at 1620kg it's approx 250kg heavier than its rivals at the time, it also isn't set up as a hooligan / rally car




E30KB

304 posts

94 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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VXR8 vibes.

Quhet

2,946 posts

176 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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Don't these (like all 6s) suffer pretty badly from rust? I'd want to check one very carefully before taking it on

ChrisCh86

1,132 posts

74 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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Cool car. I've always liked these, mostly as I'm a huge fan of anything AWD, turbocharged and practical (both cars in our family fit this mould!)

I'd snap this one up if I had space... particularly as this one is in great condition with a full service history. The leather in the back seats looks immaculate.

Edited by ChrisCh86 on Thursday 2nd March 09:54

Fastdruid

9,402 posts

182 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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Quhet said:
Don't these (like all 6s) suffer pretty badly from rust? I'd want to check one very carefully before taking it on
Rust, rust and more rust. 99% of it hidden by the skirts and other plastics.

Ok, so this point it's was a 12 year old car but still.





That, the engine needing a new camchain/vvt etc and drinking massive amounts of oil was the main reason we shifted ours on.


Fastdruid

9,402 posts

182 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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Twinair said:
Always quite liked the look of these back in the day.

Can they be tuned? Are they a reliable motor? What about the 4wd - is that robust?
Yes, no. Maybe.

They can be tuned but you have to do a bunch of supporting mods. Lets put it this way, current car, makes 216hp officially, you can remap it to ~260hp "as is", 20% more power, sure a new intercooler and exhaust would be an improvement and you might need an uprated clutch longer term but you don't _need_ them.

I wouldn't go *near* the MPS without at bare minimum an uprated HPFP. If you do more than a mildest of mild maps you're going to want to rebuild the engine with forged rods etc (they have a tendency to snap rods even as stock).

Then you have the turbo which is a pile of garbage (and a nightmare to replace), the cam chain which is made from cheese string, the VVT which is made from chocolate, the rings which gum up and then burns more oil than fuel (and it burns a lot of fuel).

Oh, plus oil leaks from the transfer box due to dodgy sealing which can then die. Oh and the driveshafts can snap too.

There is a significant MPS tax on parts too, for example the front brake calipers are unique to it and are a bit st in that the pads ride on the caliper bracket with no wear plates etc. Ours rubbed a groove in the bracket. Normal 6s the caliper brackets were £20ea. 6 MPS ones, £150ea.

It was a decent steer mind, surprisingly tail happy for a car which was at *most* 50% torque to the back. Felt faster than it was because of the *way* it made its power, was massively entertaining in snow.


Twinair

Original Poster:

1,039 posts

172 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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Jester86 said:
Twinair said:
Always quite liked the look of these back in the day.

Can they be tuned? Are they a reliable motor? What about the 4wd - is that robust? Don’t know much about them tbh…?

If all that checks out - could be the bargain - slightly left field choice…!
Same engine as the 3 MPS of the time. Can be tuned to close to 300bhp on stock turbo, but don't get it tuned by BBR or any generic remap company. They need a minimum of HPFP (High Pressure Fuel Pump) internals upgrade as otherwise they can run a little lean on anything but the stock map. Most remaps are carried out by tuners in the US (where the MPS platform is way more popular and catered for) or there is one trusted chap, Justin Heath here in the UK.

My 3 is somewhere between 330-350bhp running turbo, sports cat/catback, HPFP internals, intake and an uprated intercooler.

The engine is known for throwing a leg out of bed, usually by a poor remap, but it can happen on a stock map if you floor the throttle at low rpm, low wheel speed and in high gear. So for example doing 20mph in 6th gear and nailing the throttle. So treat it like an NA motor, or use the gear stick like you are meant to and that is easily mitigated. Timing chains need to be done, which is the most expensive job really on the engine. I had mine done last year for circa £1400 but that included chain, all the VVT tensioners, thermostat, water and oil pumps. Otherwise the VVT starts to fail, timing chain starts to slap and it can slip. Which is bad. Turbo oil seals eventually start to fail, mine did at about 60k miles. But that was a good excuse for a bigger one. Nothing really absolutely catastrophic. Oh, apart from rust.

I don't know too much about the AWD system but I think there are one or 2 little niggles but anyone with a 6 can comment. But the Facebook group isn't filled with tales of AWD's lunching themselves everyday.
Thanks! Good insights.

I didn’t respond to all the posters - but thanks to them also.

I’m looking for a ‘budget’ (ish) track car for my lads and I.

So maybe with a bit of careful upgrading, and NOT some kind of ‘loony tune’ - hit and hope re-map, this could be a good steer.

Evil.soup

4,047 posts

235 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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Always liked the look of these and gave one a brief consideration back in the mid-2000's when I was looking for a practical car to replace the MR2 roadster with.

It just wasn't raw enough for me and felt a bit too grown up compared to my other options, Impreza and Evo. I went with the Impreza WRX in the end and still have it.

As for rust, all Japanese cars of this age will be melting away and need TLC to keep on top of it. My WRX was garaged for the first 14 years of my ownership and has only spent the last 3 years outside. Apparently, according to my mechanic who has owned a few Impreza's, it is in excellent shape underneath for a 17 year old WRX, but that still didn't stop me from having to spend £700 having the rear strut tops welded and the sills will need doing in a couple of years.

Rust is the real battle with cars like this.


Silvanus

6,916 posts

53 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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I'm a big fan of these, always wished they'd done an estate version. I ended up with a CX-7, a very underrated car.

AmyRichardson

1,992 posts

72 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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It seems ages ago that one of these appeared in a Top Gear group test; as dynamically competent as an ST220 but a bit quicker, and much better to drive that a wayward VXR.

Retrospectively we compare this to other Japanese turbo/4wd motors of that era, but the TG selection of larger, hot (ish) repmobiles was more on the money. Your family probably wouldn't thank you for a day-long schlep in an Evo, but this would be okay...


Darnoc95

517 posts

60 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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These were a pretty decent car back in the day. Sadly not enough people were coaxed out of their BMW's & Audi's to appreciate them. It was also true back in the 90's when i ran a Mazda Xedos 6 ( Anyone remember them?). They were a real alternative to the established players. Silky smoooth V6 engine with plenty low down torque. Mazda even ran them in the BTCC but failed to get enough sales & killed them off. Dam shame as i have fond memories if them.


British Beef

2,572 posts

195 months

Thursday 2nd March 2023
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Fastdruid said:
Twinair said:
Always quite liked the look of these back in the day.

Can they be tuned? Are they a reliable motor? What about the 4wd - is that robust?
Yes, no. Maybe.

They can be tuned but you have to do a bunch of supporting mods. Lets put it this way, current car, makes 216hp officially, you can remap it to ~260hp "as is", 20% more power, sure a new intercooler and exhaust would be an improvement and you might need an uprated clutch longer term but you don't _need_ them.

I wouldn't go *near* the MPS without at bare minimum an uprated HPFP. If you do more than a mildest of mild maps you're going to want to rebuild the engine with forged rods etc (they have a tendency to snap rods even as stock).

Then you have the turbo which is a pile of garbage (and a nightmare to replace), the cam chain which is made from cheese string, the VVT which is made from chocolate, the rings which gum up and then burns more oil than fuel (and it burns a lot of fuel).

Oh, plus oil leaks from the transfer box due to dodgy sealing which can then die. Oh and the driveshafts can snap too.

There is a significant MPS tax on parts too, for example the front brake calipers are unique to it and are a bit st in that the pads ride on the caliper bracket with no wear plates etc. Ours rubbed a groove in the bracket. Normal 6s the caliper brackets were £20ea. 6 MPS ones, £150ea.

It was a decent steer mind, surprisingly tail happy for a car which was at *most* 50% torque to the back. Felt faster than it was because of the *way* it made its power, was massively entertaining in snow.

A car salesman you are not :-)

I always liked these things, but had read they had a few weaknesses.

Given costs of parts and labour for fixing cars, these "bargain" performance cars, very quickly become financial write-offs with a few problems.