RE: Cadillac Seville STS | The Brave Pill
RE: Cadillac Seville STS | The Brave Pill
Saturday 4th March 2023

Cadillac Seville STS | The Brave Pill

Best put on sunglasses for this one...


Anyone who grew up watching Doctor Who in the days before the show gained both a proper production budget and a social conscience might be getting strong flashbacks from this week’s Pill. That’s because the dealer selling this Cadillac Seville STS has chosen to jazz up the images with a backdrop strongly reminiscent of the sort of unconvincing graphics that used to be projected behind Tom Baker or Peter Davison as as they wrestled with bubble-wrap aliens while the universe exploded. Alternatively think of a low budget early nineties rave video. 

The STS isn’t our first Cadillac - a CTS-V Coupe featured in 2021 - but it is an unlikely pioneer. Because it’s the first car to feature here with the head-scratching combination of a V8 engine and front-wheel drive. Cadillac had been using this oddball layout for its smallest Seville line since 1980, the idea being to combine V8 power with what was held to be the greater dynamic security - in the days before traction control - of using this urge to pull rather than push. 

Apologies - the use of the words ‘power’ and ‘urge’ in the previous paragraph were grossly misleading. As introduced the emissions-strangled 6.0-litre L61 engine in the ‘80s Seville managed a dizzying 145hp, with the option of an even slower 105hp diesel V8 as an alternative. Power outputs and dimensions grew throughout successive generations, and the oil-burner went, and by the time the fifth Seville was launched in 1998 it had acquired both rounded Lexus-like styling and a transverse 4.6-litre 32-valve DOHC ‘Northstar’ V8. Two versions were offered, the SLS - ‘Seville Luxury Sedan’ getting 275hp, and the STS - ‘Seville Touring Sedan’ packing 300hp, a figure that made it the most powerful front driven production car in the world at the time.

So far, so mildly interesting. But then, in an outbreak of corporate madness, GM decided it was going to use this Seville to launch the Cadillac brand in Europe. And not just the bits of Europe that drive on the wrong side of the road, but the UK as well. That meant a right-hooker was engineered at considerable expense, dealers were appointed and a pricey advertising campaign was commissioned. Actually recycled - the print ad of a heroic Seville parked in the midst of a pack of identikit German rivals was nearly identical to the one Rover had created for the launch of the 800.

To no great surprise, except perhaps that of doubtless fired optimist who had signed the whole thing off, the STS failed to set our part of the world on fire. Or even a-smouldering. Despite keen pricing and generous standard equipment, fewer than 500 of the Seville were sold here in four years. And a significant number of those had started life on the brand’s books, Cadillac’s enthusiasm for coverage proven by the fact the magazine I was working on at the time ended up with two long term examples, one being sent exclusively for the editor’s use.

Of course, as the editor lived around the corner, and was never short of more interesting cars to drive, I spent plenty of time in his STS. This included a return trip from London to Scotland where my pulse barely rose above rest for the entire journey out and back. The Seville was big, comfy and quiet but for the fine efforts of its BOSE audio system. Also, it was about as exciting to drive as automotive Mogadon. 

Before this feels too much like a knifing, the Seville has certainly gained some novelty value as the years have passed - and must surely have got over the line to modest bravery. How many left reckons that there are fewer than 70 on the road, plus another 130 on SORN. Given the Northstar V8 is pretty much unkillable - designed to be able to run for up to 50 miles at 50mph with no coolant, alternating between each cylinder bank to reduce temperatures - the survivors could well last forever. But non-mechanical bits will certainly be hard to source on this side of the Atlantic, plus there is the courage required to pull off this one’s fetching shade of what should probably be called Ron Burgundy. 

It’s being offered for a chunky £9,250 - that being more than the only other STS currently listed in the Classifieds, a later rear-driven V6 from 2006. But this one definitely has rarity value on its side, and with its odometer having barely passed 28,000 miles it really does qualify to the over-used ‘barely run-in’ description. The MOT history shows that the last ticket ran out in September 2020, although the London-based dealer selling it promises to put on a new one. And as most of the company’s stock is being pushed on the basis of the ULEZ compliance that the Caddy lacks, there could well be some enthusiasm for a deal to get it shifted.

In short it’s the sort of car that could easily survive another quarter century. Does that sound more like a promise or a threat? 


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mersontheperson

Original Poster:

732 posts

195 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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The initial message was deleted from this topic on 04 March 2023 at 06:36

jfdi

1,335 posts

205 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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The first posters reply says it all. So embarrassed at being the first poster on this pos they deleted it.

Sparky137

969 posts

211 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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brave pill said:
Given the Northstar V8 is pretty much unkillable
Really????

This is one of the most hated V8's ever produced in America. It has an appetite for head gaskets in much the same way as a K-Series does and pre 2000 engines suffered from major oiling issues that gum up the rings and cause massive blow-by and seal failure. It was so bad that Cadillac admitted it was an issue and went as far as producing a repair procedure involving some pretty serious solvent and a flushing process.

As this is a 1999 vehicle it falls into the 'leave well alone' category.

IDrinkPetrol

135 posts

188 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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The front wheel drive El Dorado, with the worlds largest production v8 was a thing from, unless I'm remembering incorrectly, 1967.

Five hundred rootin tootin cubic inches.

Edited by IDrinkPetrol on Saturday 4th March 07:21

SimonTheSailor

13,020 posts

258 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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It's OK - most people got all their hatred out on the Vectra GSi yesterday - so this will probably fair well !!

Dombilano

1,457 posts

85 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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Who is going to spend over £9k on this? I remember a beige one driving round in Newcastle during my student days 20 years ago, and as a design student my opinion was "wtf is this blobby mess".
All these years later, it's still a blobby mess, tired, and overpriced.

I'd feel violated handing over shed money for this.

yme402

664 posts

132 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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Cannot think of one single reason why you would buy this junk over a similar-era Lexus LS400


Augustus Windsock

3,801 posts

185 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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yme402 said:
Cannot think of one single reason why you would buy this junk over a similar-era Lexus LS400
Oddly I was just going to add a separate response but this ^ came up
I had a mate that used to buy a Lexus LS400 and then swap for an STS when the odd one came up for sale
I think he had at least 3 Caddy’s and quite liked them (odd chap) but also loved the Lexus (sensible chap)
Of course this was when you could buy them for less than £1500…

anonymous-user

84 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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Appearing in the Overpriced Cars thread soon. Surely...

dontlookdown

2,528 posts

123 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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IDrinkPetrol said:
The front wheel drive El Dorado, with the worlds largest production v8 was a thing from, unless I'm remembering incorrectly, 1967.

Five hundred rootin tootin cubic inches.

Edited by IDrinkPetrol on Saturday 4th March 07:21
This. FWD Caddy's have been a thing since long before the 80s. I am not into American cars much but I like a nice classic Caddy. Sadly this isn't one of them. it does possess some quirk value, but not £9k worth.

HTP99

25,335 posts

170 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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Funny this has come up as a beige/gold convertible one drive past me yesterday, I've seen it before but not for a while until yesterday.

Rich Boy Spanner

1,891 posts

160 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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I have a lot of love for US cars and who doesn't want a V8? But this is car is so, so bad. Shame because the later Cadillac's are rather good.

Jordie Barretts sock

6,018 posts

49 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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It's interesting is as much as you'd take it out for the weekend, drive it a bit, and confirm what always thought. That is was a boring lump of metal with no redeeming features whatsoever. But you could say you'd driven a V8 Caddy. That would be about it.

A modern day (sort of) Bristol for the man with more money than sense and no interest in cars.

TristPerrin

148 posts

208 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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Sparky137 said:
Really????

This is one of the most hated V8's ever produced in America.
Exactly. First thing I thought when I saw the article is "I bet that's a Northstar". Early engines especially suffer issues, making this pill extremely brave.

Puddenchucker

5,941 posts

248 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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Dombilano said:
Who is going to spend over £9k on this?.....
.... tired, and overpriced.

I'd feel violated handing over shed money for this.
I think this very car - there can't be too many burgundy STSs in the UK - was for sale 3 or 4 years ago in Cambridgeshire for about £4k...

dunnoreally

1,356 posts

138 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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The older I get and the more I have to drive long distances for work, the more a big comfy old American saloon feels like quite a nice idea. 10k seems a lot, though, and how many people in England would know how to fix it?

A.J.M

8,391 posts

216 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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A house a few miles from me has 2 of these rotting away on their driveway.
Both had lpg caps on the bumpers but haven’t moved in years given the state of them.

Not even for 9p would I have this thing.

Groaver

85 posts

63 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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Kia did it far more stylishly with the Magentis.


Jordie Barretts sock

6,018 posts

49 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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Groaver said:
Kia did it far more stylishly with the Magentis.

Ummm...

Turbobanana

8,489 posts

231 months

Saturday 4th March 2023
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IDrinkPetrol said:
The front wheel drive El Dorado, with the worlds largest production v8 was a thing from, unless I'm remembering incorrectly, 1967.

Five hundred rootin tootin cubic inches.

Edited by IDrinkPetrol on Saturday 4th March 07:21
Don’t forget the Oldsmobile Toronado.