RE: How the A110 E-ternité previews Alpine's EV
RE: How the A110 E-ternité previews Alpine's EV
Sunday 5th March 2023

How the A110 E-ternité previews Alpine's EV

Do lightweight sports cars really have a place in the electric era? Alpine sure thinks so...


When Alpine announced that the follow-up to the A110 would ditch its 1.8-litre turbo four-pot in favour of an electric motor, we feared the worst. After all, how could one of the last bastions of lightweight performance maintain its signature agility when encumbered by bulky batteries? Happily, our worries were allayed somewhat by the A110 E-ternité concept. 

Revealed last year as a ‘rolling laboratory’ to test electric powertrains for its next two-seater, the E-ternité was confirmation that Alpine was fighting the good fight with only a moderate weight increase over the piston-powered A110. A sweet deal, even with some fundamental caveats. Firstly, Alpine maintains that it has no intention of putting the E-ternité into production; it’s purely a testbed. Secondly, a production-ready sports car is still several years away, which is an e-ternity in the EV world. Nevertheless, a recent visit to Alpine’s R&D facility in Les Ulis, just south of Paris, showed that the next A110 is indeed being developed with the same underlying principles as the current car. 

Weight, or a lack of it, is evidently high on the priority list. We already knew that the A110 E-ternité would be heavier than the combustion car, with engineers quoting 1,378kg during our visit, but it’s how the firm has kept the kerbweight down – and evenly distributed – that really impresses. The E-ternité uses the same 62kWh lithium-ion battery as the Megane E-Tech, yet instead of burying the flat-but-wide 12-cell pack below the occupants, Alpine has managed to split the battery into two sections and positioned them on either side of the cabin. The weight saving comes by ditching the water-cooling system and replacing it with lighter ‘cooling plates’. By doing this, Alpine is able to save around 30-40kg over the Megane E-Tech’s pack. 

Splitting the battery into two sections has also permitted the engineers to play around with the weight distribution. Rather than aiming for a perfect 50-50 split, Alpine has instead located four cells at the front of the car and the remaining eight behind the cabin for a 42-58 weight distribution – a smidgen more rear bias than the combustion car and not far off a 911 Carrera 2. 

Sounds great, right? Well, the problem with stuffing the battery in the cavities left by ripping out the engine and its ancillaries, rather the hiding under the floor, means the centre of gravity is slightly higher than it might otherwise be. This requires a slightly stiffer setup, which comes courtesy of new Ohlins dampers and beefier anti-roll bars. What’s interesting here is that the E-ternité is still passively damped, eschewing the sophisticated active anti-roll and torque vectoring systems that proliferate among much heavier electric performance cars. And that’s the way it’ll stay if Alpine’s chassis boffins get their way. Providing it’s able to transition into the electric age without significantly upping the kerbweight, its engineers see no need to muddy the driving experience by throwing in complicated, heavy suspension trickery.

With that said, the A110 E-ternité still suffers obvious compromises. The standard engine is hardly melodic, but it’s still satisfying to flick through the seven-speed automatic to the tune of four pistons chasing a 7,000rpm redline. The E-ternité, meanwhile, only has two ratios, which you don’t have any control over. The final product may have three speeds if Alpine decides to hike the power up from the 242hp developed by the E-ternité’s rear-mounted motor - but shifting will still be managed by a computer. 

Then there’s the range. Alpine claims the E-ternité is rated at 261 miles combined under WLTP, which should be fine for road use yet completely useless on a track day, as you’d sap the battery of all its juice in just 15 minutes. That’s not Alpine’s fault; that’s just the way batteries work. And while you might devour a full tank of fuel in the blink of an eye, most circuits have pumps on site so you can quickly fill up and get back to the action. Even if there were updated to accommodate EVs, you’d spend more time charging up than on track. Don’t count on regenerative braking, either. With no regeneration on the front axle, where most of the braking force is, a minuscule amount of energy at the rear is diverted back into the battery.

That’s the case for the E-ternité, anyway. When the A110 successor arrives in 2026 (a year later than initially rumoured), battery tech may have sufficiently improved to rival combustion cars for range. Whether it’ll be enough for a comparatively small electric sports car to be a viable alternative to a piston-powered alternative is anyone’s guess, but all the signs point in the right direction - i.e. toward a future where a more technologically advanced platform won’t be delivered at the expense of the driving experience.

Plainly, that's something to lift the spirits. Especially as by the time the A110 replacement comes along, the supply of new sports cars will have dwindled significantly - especially with the Porsche 718 well on its way to making the switch to EV only. And while we’ve got a wait on our hands to see if Alpine can crack the electric sports car code, it won’t be long until we find out what the company’s vision of an electric performance car will look like. The firm is currently working on an all-electric crossover and a hot hatch to launch between 2024 and 2025. Expect the latter to give us a more accurate read on whether or not gold is still being spun behind Alpine's doors. 


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Global Nomad

Original Poster:

105 posts

111 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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"split the battery into two sections and positioned them on either side of the cabin"

I read that line and thought the batteries were down the side , in the doors....ooooh strange....but then realised you meant front and back....
Getting lighter and more dense batteries is surely coming and will allow a more nuanced approach to the existing skateboard pack default.

lotus116tornado

340 posts

182 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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30% heavier
Higher Centre of Gravity
20 Mile Range on Circuit
42-58 Weight Distribution
175bhp/ton
Automated 2 Speed Box

You can see why they won’t sell it.

Twinair

1,039 posts

172 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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lotus116tornado said:
30% heavier
Higher Centre of Gravity
20 Mile Range on Circuit
42-58 Weight Distribution
175bhp/ton
Automated 2 Speed Box

You can see why they won’t sell it.
This and…

I took my wife’s cayman t out yesterday for a fresh tank of optimax - and a quick hoon

You know the one with the awful engine (lol)

Matching gears to the engine speed, trying to put it through the corners ‘all together’…

The ICE is integral to this user enjoyment - in my view, I cannot see why you would bother with the EV version?

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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They are trying i will give them that but we seem to be 5/10 years off from any decent light weight-ish EV sports vehicle

Something about the A110 visually i dont like though.....i think its those lights at the front ...

Piginapoke

6,043 posts

215 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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Twinair said:
This and…

I took my wife’s cayman t out yesterday for a fresh tank of optimax - and a quick hoon

You know the one with the awful engine (lol)

Matching gears to the engine speed, trying to put it through the corners ‘all together’…

The ICE is integral to this user enjoyment - in my view, I cannot see why you would bother with the EV version?

NDNDNDND

2,546 posts

213 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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I presume being air cooled will shorten the battery's lifespan?

I suspect the electric A110 won't amount to anything, and will only ever really exist as a marketing halo model to sell the crossover.

pw_ninja

63 posts

89 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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It's got a sunroof! Get rid of that for another 10kg smile

Also, people over 12st banned from buying them. That might bring the price down a little so that I could afford one smile

Désolé monsieur, vous êtes un peu trop cochon pour cette voiture <Gallic shrug>

Sway

35,310 posts

224 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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Piginapoke said:
Twinair said:
This and…

I took my wife’s cayman t out yesterday for a fresh tank of optimax - and a quick hoon

You know the one with the awful engine (lol)

Matching gears to the engine speed, trying to put it through the corners ‘all together’…

The ICE is integral to this user enjoyment - in my view, I cannot see why you would bother with the EV version?
The pic is relevant for commuting...

Not sports cars.

Air cooled batteries seems very unlikely for a production car, how on earth are they supposed to maintain battery health?

Turbobanana

8,489 posts

231 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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Breaking news!

Alpine have announced special editions with varying levels of performance, managed by the use of French Resistors and called Liberté, Egalité and Fraternité.

There are also unconfirmed rumours of a special aimed at buyers in the north of England, to be known as the é-ByGum.

OPC100

291 posts

218 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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This is just a test-bed on the existing platform though and so is just the start. I'm intrigued to see how this plays out into their first electric sports car. I'll be watching this along with what Porsche, Toyota, Mazda, Caterham, etc. do with all their sports car models over the next few years, as whilst I don't want to move into a BEV anytime soon, it will be inevitable at some stage. And until then, I'm happy with petrol and a manual gearbox, as still a few cars on my list to get before it's too late. driving

Edited by OPC100 on Sunday 5th March 09:07

lotus116tornado

340 posts

182 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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Piginapoke said:
What a childish response to someone who enjoys driving an ICE vehicle and makes comment on the A110 EV being a downgrade from the ICE version.

Most people on here would agree.

cramorra

1,689 posts

265 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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i think only a minority in the market got sports cars actually track them- sadly we all are nice to have round but not important for business
e- engines have some perks like acceleration and instant torque which might be a fun commute….
as long as range is acceptable for commute and the odd weekend blast and it has space so you can pack for an overnighter in the countryside it will sell
no sound might some off
make it a quiet convertible and a lot of women in the market for a small sports car who don’t care for sound like my wife will sign
so there is a market just not on ph
millions of z3/4, slk, boater/cayman, tt, mx5 show this the first who gets this formula will have the new mx 5 for the 21st century
nobody spart from porsche and alpine seem to be trying
credit to them

Kipsrs

718 posts

79 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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Not wanting to be controversial, so I’ll keep some of my opinions to myself however, I do really like the rear window decals, they seem to tidy the backend up!

GreatScott2016

2,555 posts

118 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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LBW2020 said:
They are trying i will give them that but we seem to be 5/10 years off from any decent light weight-ish EV sports vehicle

Something about the A110 visually i dont like though.....i think its those lights at the front ...
Me too. I think it's the rear and side profile, too biglaugh

NDNDNDND

2,546 posts

213 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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I'm still surprised that there are people who find the A110 aesthetically challenging. I always thought it was an uncontroversially nice-looking car.

Only being available as an auto was the controversial bit.

jbforce10

509 posts

205 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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LBW2020 said:
They are trying i will give them that but we seem to be 5/10 years off from any decent light weight-ish EV sports vehicle
...which makes it the ideal time to be developing the concept (hopefully in time for the 2030 and 2035 law changes).

redroadster

1,886 posts

262 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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Is that roof panel system available on current cars ?

MyV10BarksAndBites

1,705 posts

79 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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None of this is any fun… Just way worse in every way….

MyV10BarksAndBites

1,705 posts

79 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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cramorra said:
i think only a minority in the market got sports cars actually track them- sadly we all are nice to have round but not important for business
e- engines have some perks like acceleration and instant torque which might be a fun commute….
as long as range is acceptable for commute and the odd weekend blast and it has space so you can pack for an overnighter in the countryside it will sell
no sound might some off
make it a quiet convertible and a lot of women in the market for a small sports car who don’t care for sound like my wife will sign
so there is a market just not on ph
millions of z3/4, slk, boater/cayman, tt, mx5 show this the first who gets this formula will have the new mx 5 for the 21st century
nobody spart from porsche and alpine seem to be trying
credit to them
Look at all the rubbish you had to come up with just to make it make any sense!!! Lol (Not an attack on you by the way)

Take the cape off, this is just way worse in every way and is literally a con job to suit the times… This tech is nowhere near ready for a sports car…. So you end up having to come up with things like this to justify its existence…



bcr5784

7,442 posts

175 months

Sunday 5th March 2023
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redroadster said:
Is that roof panel system available on current cars ?
No it isn't - but would be a popular option if it was. Pointer to a new option perhaps.