Approved used warranty - Indy servicing?

[Lwb552]

Hi everyone - thanks to those who weighed in on my recent Cayenne thread. Sinking deeper into the Porsche research rabbit hole..

I tried searching for this, but couldn’t find a definitive answer. I’m looking at approved used models which come with at least 2 year approved OPC warranty. It’s my understanding that if I wish to renew the warranty at the end of this term I would need to get a full OPC service.

What’s less clear to me is during the duration of the OPC warranty, if I have my services performed by an Indy with approved parts - does this invalidate my warranty or does it just stop me renewing it at the end of the term? (unless I bring it back for an OPC service)

Just wondering if I don’t care about renewing the warranty (I.E. handing car back at the end of finance term) whether there’s any downside to me saving money through an Indy for servicing. Hope that makes sense, thanks in advance!

[Twinfan]

I've recently extended the warranty on my GT4 and there's nothing in the paperwork regarding servicing as far as I can see. So I think it will just prevent you or the next owner extending the warranty in the future unless a full service is performed at an OPC.

In two years it's only going to be one service, and the price difference may only be a few hundred quid. I think I'd get an OPC service in that period to avoid any hassle should you need to claim on the warranty but each to their own.

The OPC may also be a bit funny about you handing the car back without full OPC stamps, you may need to check your finance paperwork.

[Cheib]

One of the benefits of having the warranty is that is anything comes up during the service that is a warranty item it will be fixed without any ball ache. For me personally that is worth something as logistics with cars are time consuming. There’s nothing to stop you using an Indy for new brakes as long as they use OEM parts though.

[Lwb552]

Thanks both, some good considerations here. I’m looking at 2019s, saw someone mention that as this is approaching 4 yr old it will be due both a 4 and 2 year service. Given I’ll likely own it for ~3 years it will need at least another service, and potentially new tyres and brakes in that time period I’m trying to think worse case scenario in terms of running costs and how I could mitigate them. Thanks again!

[the-norseman]

I asked Porsche GB this when I had my 981 S.

My 981 S had 2 years warranty, but I had fitted the following to it;

Cobb stage 2 tune
Cobb PDK tune
front grills
race headers
vinyl sunstrip

It went in one day for a warranty issue (before I had fitted the headers) and they told me that the warranty wouldn't be renewed at the end simply because of the vinyl sunstrip!

A good friend of mine used to be the master technician at the Porsche dealer but had since set up as an indy, so he did my 4 year service at 50% of the cost of OPC, using genuine parts bought from OPC. I asked Porsche GB what the status was and they said that the current warranty would be valid (they didnt know about the modifications) but if i wanted to renew it, it must have a Porsche OPC service done.

[Sport_Turismo_GTS]

Lwb552 said:

Thanks both, some good considerations here. I’m looking at 2019s, saw someone mention that as this is approaching 4 yr old it will be due both a 4 and 2 year service. Given I’ll likely own it for ~3 years it will need at least another service, and potentially new tyres and brakes in that time period I’m trying to think worse case scenario in terms of running costs and how I could mitigate them. Thanks again!

If the car is 4 years old it will need the 4 year (major) service done. It should already have had the 2 year (minor) serve done (after 2 years!).

[the-norseman]

anonymous said:

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I dont own the car anymore. But obviously yes it would of had to have been standard.

[Twinfan]

It can't go back to standard after a re-map though can it, the Porsche diagnostics would pick it up?

I always assume getting a re-map is a one-way street out of the OPC network.

[Matt_E_Mulsion]

Surely if you are set on buying a car with 2 years OPC warranty, then taking it to Porsche for the servicing whilst it is under that warranty is a no brainer, to avoid any possible complications with any warranty issues.

The handful of times I've bought a new car I've just sucked up the dealer servicing up until it's out of its manufacturers warranty, even being in the motor trade myself.

The proof in the pudding being the Mrs's car having to have a new steering column fitted under warranty only last month, but with an unblemished dealer service history, itwas not quibbled in the slightest.

[Lwb552]

Sport_Turismo_GTS said:

Lwb552 said:

Thanks both, some good considerations here. I’m looking at 2019s, saw someone mention that as this is approaching 4 yr old it will be due both a 4 and 2 year service. Given I’ll likely own it for ~3 years it will need at least another service, and potentially new tyres and brakes in that time period I’m trying to think worse case scenario in terms of running costs and how I could mitigate them. Thanks again!

If the car is 4 years old it will need the 4 year (major) service done. It should already have had the 2 year (minor) serve done (after 2 years!).

This is exactly what I thought (and my experience from other makers) but I asked on a Porsche forum and was explicitly told it would be a double whammy 2 and 4 year service combined (almost like the 2 and 4 were independent of one another and you have to do the 2 years every 2, regardless or 4,6,8 etc)

So given this + the potential need for new brakes, tyres and someone else advised a battery will probably need replacing at some point I was keen to explore the implications of Indy as a worse case.

If we’re looking at a lot lower work needing to be done than this it sounds sensible to stick with OPC for warranty claims and/or servicing but dip into Indy as needed for things like wear and tear.

Thanks everyone - keep it coming!

[Nuttcase]

I would ask for the 4 year service to be done prior to sale on a 2019. Then you only have a minor service and one year warranty extension for the routine stuff (+/- £2k?) plus consumables - tyres, brakes during three year ownership. Depending on how you purchase, the finance costs / depreciation will far outweigh the difference in indy / OPC rates for a minor service.

[Lwb552]

Nuttcase said:

I would ask for the 4 year service to be done prior to sale on a 2019. Then you only have a minor service and one year warranty extension for the routine stuff (+/- £2k?) plus consumables - tyres, brakes during three year ownership. Depending on how you purchase, the finance costs / depreciation will far outweigh the difference in indy / OPC rates for a minor service.

Makes total sense thank you! I’ll explore the feasibility of getting the 1yr extension upfront as well.

[Twinfan]

Lwb552 said:

This is exactly what I thought (and my experience from other makers) but I asked on a Porsche forum and was explicitly told it would be a double whammy 2 and 4 year service combined (almost like the 2 and 4 were independent of one another and you have to do the 2 years every 2, regardless or 4,6,8 etc)

The other forum poster is wrong. 2 years is the basic service cost of an oil and filter change plus a bunch of checks, the others (4,6,8 etc) add other items at regular intervals e.g. spark plugs, drive belts etc.

[TDT]

Twinfan said:

It can't go back to standard after a re-map though can it, the Porsche diagnostics would pick it up?

I always assume getting a re-map is a one-way street out of the OPC network.

They can pick up how many times the ECU has been written to... so if this seems out of kilter - then that might raise the alarm.
That said I know of plenty of cars that have been modified, mapped and then returned to OEM for successful resale via OPC.
In a couple of cases, the OPC actually did the work to return the car to OEM condition!.

Pot luck it seems.

[Twinfan]

Cheers T, not sure I'd take that risk personally!

[TDT]

Twinfan said:

Cheers T, not sure I'd take that risk personally!

Yep, I agree.

With my car as it is now - I have no plan to do anything further apart from drive the wheels off it, and supply it with fuel, fluids and tyres!

[nutsyH]

Quote from my current Porsche Approved extended warranty:

What is not covered?
2.
c) Service, repair or maintenance has previously been performed on the Vehicle by you or a third party who is not an authorised Porsche Center / Porsche Service Centre;

[Twinfan]

nutsyH said:

Quote from my current Porsche Approved extended warranty:

What is not covered?
2.
c) Service, repair or maintenance has previously been performed on the Vehicle by you or a third party who is not an authorised Porsche Center / Porsche Service Centre;

You're missing the key part:

2. A claim made under Your Policy for the repair or replacement of a defective system or component shall be invalid to the extent that the defect results from any of the following:
c) Service, repair or maintenance has previously been performed on the Vehicle by You or a third party who is not an authorised Porsche Center/Porsche Service Centre;

So if a non-OPC breaks the bleed nipple on your brake caliper it won't be covered under warranty. But if an Indy changes your brake fluid and then your PCM blows up you'll be covered.