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Not mine fortunately. I saw a post from one of the U.K. forces, and they’d stopped a new shape defender for driving aggressively,undertaking, tailgating and generally being a throbber. Turns out, while they were dealing with him, it seems he had a S59 warning previously, for the same MO. So, assuming the driver was the owner, what happens to the vehicle? Are they entitled to it back, does it just go to the pound for added cost effect, or is that it, gone ( unlikely). Curious to know.
normalbloke said:
Not mine fortunately. I saw a post from one of the U.K. forces, and they’d stopped a new shape defender for driving aggressively,undertaking, tailgating and generally being a throbber. Turns out, while they were dealing with him, it seems he had a S59 warning previously, for the same MO. So, assuming the driver was the owner, what happens to the vehicle? Are they entitled to it back, does it just go to the pound for added cost effect, or is that it, gone ( unlikely). Curious to know.
It goes to the pound & they have to pay any removal & storage fees to get it back.Rinse and repeat if it carries on.
Its covered under the police reform act 2002.
Normally there has to be a warning in place before they seize was with this person, some forces have an SGT or above who needs to ok prior to recovery being ordered. All the detail and MG11 is issued to the driver/keeper and PNC record (as happened here). Has to be a Police Constable, so PCSOs can't issue them.
Recovery used to be £150 and £20 a day storage, the max they are allowed to charge was £430.
If they can't trace the owner after 14 days they can in some cases be disposed of, (But a defender I doubt that).
Its a faff as the owner/keeper has to take proof of insurance and owner docs etc to a nominated police station (and most forces shut lots of them) to secure release, pay the recovery agents fees etc.
Normally there has to be a warning in place before they seize was with this person, some forces have an SGT or above who needs to ok prior to recovery being ordered. All the detail and MG11 is issued to the driver/keeper and PNC record (as happened here). Has to be a Police Constable, so PCSOs can't issue them.
Recovery used to be £150 and £20 a day storage, the max they are allowed to charge was £430.
If they can't trace the owner after 14 days they can in some cases be disposed of, (But a defender I doubt that).
Its a faff as the owner/keeper has to take proof of insurance and owner docs etc to a nominated police station (and most forces shut lots of them) to secure release, pay the recovery agents fees etc.
surveyor_101 said:
Its a faff as the owner/keeper has to take proof of insurance and owner docs etc to a nominated police station (and most forces shut lots of them) to secure release, pay the recovery agents fees etc.
If nothing else the pure inconvenience is hopefully a deterrent :-) Can you imagine how small the number of illegally parked cars would become in places like Mayfair and Oxford Street if the fines had to be paid in person (by the driver) instead of online...
surveyor_101 said:
Its covered under the police reform act 2002.
Normally there has to be a warning in place before they seize was with this person, some forces have an SGT or above who needs to ok prior to recovery being ordered. All the detail and MG11 is issued to the driver/keeper and PNC record (as happened here). Has to be a Police Constable, so PCSOs can't issue them.
Recovery used to be £150 and £20 a day storage, the max they are allowed to charge was £430.
If they can't trace the owner after 14 days they can in some cases be disposed of, (But a defender I doubt that).
Its a faff as the owner/keeper has to take proof of insurance and owner docs etc to a nominated police station (and most forces shut lots of them) to secure release, pay the recovery agents fees etc.
Yet more horse sNormally there has to be a warning in place before they seize was with this person, some forces have an SGT or above who needs to ok prior to recovery being ordered. All the detail and MG11 is issued to the driver/keeper and PNC record (as happened here). Has to be a Police Constable, so PCSOs can't issue them.
Recovery used to be £150 and £20 a day storage, the max they are allowed to charge was £430.
If they can't trace the owner after 14 days they can in some cases be disposed of, (But a defender I doubt that).
Its a faff as the owner/keeper has to take proof of insurance and owner docs etc to a nominated police station (and most forces shut lots of them) to secure release, pay the recovery agents fees etc.
t from Surveyor_101.PCSOs can issue Sec59 warnings. The information is added to PNC.
Nibbles_bits said:
surveyor_101 said:
Its covered under the police reform act 2002.
Normally there has to be a warning in place before they seize was with this person, some forces have an SGT or above who needs to ok prior to recovery being ordered. All the detail and MG11 is issued to the driver/keeper and PNC record (as happened here). Has to be a Police Constable, so PCSOs can't issue them.
Recovery used to be £150 and £20 a day storage, the max they are allowed to charge was £430.
If they can't trace the owner after 14 days they can in some cases be disposed of, (But a defender I doubt that).
Its a faff as the owner/keeper has to take proof of insurance and owner docs etc to a nominated police station (and most forces shut lots of them) to secure release, pay the recovery agents fees etc.
Yet more horse sNormally there has to be a warning in place before they seize was with this person, some forces have an SGT or above who needs to ok prior to recovery being ordered. All the detail and MG11 is issued to the driver/keeper and PNC record (as happened here). Has to be a Police Constable, so PCSOs can't issue them.
Recovery used to be £150 and £20 a day storage, the max they are allowed to charge was £430.
If they can't trace the owner after 14 days they can in some cases be disposed of, (But a defender I doubt that).
Its a faff as the owner/keeper has to take proof of insurance and owner docs etc to a nominated police station (and most forces shut lots of them) to secure release, pay the recovery agents fees etc.
t from Surveyor_101.PCSOs can issue Sec59 warnings. The information is added to PNC.
it appear you are correct though - a number of forces have this documented. i.e.
https://www.sussex.police.uk/police-forces/sussex-...
https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/...
vikingaero said:
So if they seize a lease/hp/pcp/pch car, as many people do, and the keeper/driver is unable to get it back, would it not return to the finance house and the agreement be cancelled?
Why would they not be able to get it back? All they have to do is attend with appropriate ID, pay the fee & they can get it back.
If they fall foul again, it's rinse & repeat.
Nibbles_bits said:
surveyor_101 said:
Its covered under the police reform act 2002.
Normally there has to be a warning in place before they seize was with this person, some forces have an SGT or above who needs to ok prior to recovery being ordered. All the detail and MG11 is issued to the driver/keeper and PNC record (as happened here). Has to be a Police Constable, so PCSOs can't issue them.
Recovery used to be £150 and £20 a day storage, the max they are allowed to charge was £430.
If they can't trace the owner after 14 days they can in some cases be disposed of, (But a defender I doubt that).
Its a faff as the owner/keeper has to take proof of insurance and owner docs etc to a nominated police station (and most forces shut lots of them) to secure release, pay the recovery agents fees etc.
Yet more horse sNormally there has to be a warning in place before they seize was with this person, some forces have an SGT or above who needs to ok prior to recovery being ordered. All the detail and MG11 is issued to the driver/keeper and PNC record (as happened here). Has to be a Police Constable, so PCSOs can't issue them.
Recovery used to be £150 and £20 a day storage, the max they are allowed to charge was £430.
If they can't trace the owner after 14 days they can in some cases be disposed of, (But a defender I doubt that).
Its a faff as the owner/keeper has to take proof of insurance and owner docs etc to a nominated police station (and most forces shut lots of them) to secure release, pay the recovery agents fees etc.
t from Surveyor_101.I don't think we'll need to worry about him for a while, at least until he creates a new account anyway. Thank god.
Short Grain said:
Greendubber said:
Just add it to the pile.....
I don't think we'll need to worry about him for a while, at least until he creates a new account anyway. Thank god.
Only just read this, Is he banned then? What did he do to pI don't think we'll need to worry about him for a while, at least until he creates a new account anyway. Thank god.
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