When did the concept of owning something you don't own start
When did the concept of owning something you don't own start
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Pistom

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6,254 posts

183 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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I "bought" a domain name yesterday. I mentioned it to my wife over dinner and she said - "it's really renting it" as you have to pay for continued registration of it to be able to keep it, otherwise you lose it"

I can see where she's coming from.

I'm not sure if that idea of purchasing something you never really own exists elsewhere.

There's lots of software now that we never really own - it's renting the use of it.

With houses - when we buy them, even if there is a loan on the property, you still own it, the lender just has an interest until the loan is paid off.

With cars - some of the purchasing models are in effect renting the use but it isn't represented as a sale.

With personalised number plates, I believe the DVLA have the right to take it off you if you break the rules of how it's displayed but you still own the right to it without having to pay any more.

rodericb

8,586 posts

150 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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You don't "own" insurance, nor do you "own" money you borrow. You've got a right to use them. Copyrighted content not on physical media (i.e. itunes music) you purchase you "own" but don't really own. You can't bequeath it. I suppose you could own a 999 year lease on a property but you don't own the property.

Alorotom

12,697 posts

211 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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rodericb said:
You don't "own" insurance, nor do you "own" money you borrow. You've got a right to use them. Copyrighted content not on physical media (i.e. itunes music) you purchase you "own" but don't really own. You can't bequeath it. I suppose you could own a 999 year lease on a property but you don't own the property.
With the media there is nothing to stop you writing that to a physical device which of then you could of course bequeath if needed/wanted as you'd still have the paid version

Pistom

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6,254 posts

183 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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With a lot of these examples - they're services which you are buying but with a domain name, I'm not sure why you can't have exclusive right to use it forever.

bigpriest

2,328 posts

154 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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Remember when people used to rent radios, TVs and video recorders?

glazbagun

15,178 posts

221 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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Leasehold property? You can own it but not the ground it's on. That probably goes way back.

Or maybe those warships the Ottomans bought from us in WWI with public subscriptions but didn't get.

Monkeylegend

28,548 posts

255 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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We are mere custodians, just looking after houses and cars until they pass to the next "owner"

We do have to pay for the privilege though.

Fusion777

2,601 posts

72 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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bigpriest said:
Remember when people used to rent radios, TVs and video recorders?
Now they rent houses, cars and even software. Funny how renting has gone from something people used to look down on, to being normalised, to even being desirable in the case of PCP (can drive round in something newer than you'd otherwise be able to afford).

Super Sonic

12,715 posts

78 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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I would say it's as old as renting a home but it's probably older than that, renting the services of 'the oldest profession in the world'.

E63eeeeee...

5,766 posts

73 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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Possibly with the creation of money that's worth more than its physical value, because you don't really own that, the state or bank that issued it can change how much it's worth, or effectively make it worthless, or take it away.

s2kjock

1,825 posts

171 months

Saturday 1st April 2023
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There are changes to UK financial reporting standards coming through in a couple of years - in very crude terms, items you previously thought you were just "renting" will suddenly become ones you appear to "own" as they will need to go onto your balance sheet. This nonsense has been around in International Standards for a good few years now, but it is trickling down to UK small companies. While there is a sort of logic as to why they are doing it, in practical terms it is bonkers.

rodericb

8,586 posts

150 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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s2kjock said:
There are changes to UK financial reporting standards coming through in a couple of years - in very crude terms, items you previously thought you were just "renting" will suddenly become ones you appear to "own" as they will need to go onto your balance sheet. This nonsense has been around in International Standards for a good few years now, but it is trickling down to UK small companies. While there is a sort of logic as to why they are doing it, in practical terms it is bonkers.
Do you mean IFRS 16? Yeah it's more work but once computer systems people use are able to do it, it'll be easier to administer. I think you can do as little as disclose in your financial statements notes that you lease stuff.

deja.vu

456 posts

40 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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bigpriest said:
Remember when people used to rent radios, TVs and video recorders?
Have we got a video recorder?

otolith

65,857 posts

228 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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deja.vu said:
Have we got a video recorder?
If anyone else asks that question, I'm going to stick their head through the window!


finlo

4,304 posts

227 months

Sunday 2nd April 2023
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Don't BMW rent you the use of optional extras such as heated seats etc these days?