Parking Charge Notice £100 for 36m overstay?
Discussion
Should I just pay up or see if I can get it reduced?
Car park only had 5 cars in & it was a genuine mistake on the overstay.
Taking elderly relative to hospital to visit wife & the distance & speed of said relative ate too much time due to distance once within hospital & finding correct ward.
I think it reduces to £60 if paid early but still a kicking for 30m overdue on a quiet day ?????
Car park only had 5 cars in & it was a genuine mistake on the overstay.
Taking elderly relative to hospital to visit wife & the distance & speed of said relative ate too much time due to distance once within hospital & finding correct ward.
I think it reduces to £60 if paid early but still a kicking for 30m overdue on a quiet day ?????
I mean, always challenge, always obfuscate when it comes to private parking enforcement- so long as it doesn’t cost you more money.
Having said that, what do you propose as a more suitable grace period? 37 minutes I suppose?
I wouldn’t lead on “it was only 36 minutes” or “it was quiet”, or “I was taking an elderly relative to the hospital” as a defence. Try and argue the amount down on the basis that you had complied and paid an amount for parking and that £60 is rather a lot to pay for 36 more minutes.
Having said that, what do you propose as a more suitable grace period? 37 minutes I suppose?
I wouldn’t lead on “it was only 36 minutes” or “it was quiet”, or “I was taking an elderly relative to the hospital” as a defence. Try and argue the amount down on the basis that you had complied and paid an amount for parking and that £60 is rather a lot to pay for 36 more minutes.
Edited by HustleRussell on Saturday 1st April 14:31
Remember, extortion and robbery is allowed if white collar scumbags are doing it to you. It amazes me what these cowboy parking companies are allowed to get away with just to make a quick buck.
I once got a similar fine for walking to a shop across the road from the carpark. Do they honestly expect people to drive the width of the road? No common sense, just using people as a cash cow.
I once got a similar fine for walking to a shop across the road from the carpark. Do they honestly expect people to drive the width of the road? No common sense, just using people as a cash cow.
Mr Miata said:
Remember, extortion and robbery is allowed if white collar scumbags are doing it to you. It amazes me what these cowboy parking companies are allowed to get away with just to make a quick buck.
I once got a similar fine for walking to a shop across the road from the carpark. Do they honestly expect people to drive the width of the road? No common sense, just using people as a cash cow.
It’s very easy to avoid. I once got a similar fine for walking to a shop across the road from the carpark. Do they honestly expect people to drive the width of the road? No common sense, just using people as a cash cow.
Remember, these firms only exist because people park were and when the shouldn’t.
It’s very easy to put them all out of business…
Sebring440 said:
Mr Miata said:
I once got a similar fine for walking to a shop across the road.
You got a "fine"? Seriously? For walking across the road? Which police force fined you?Or did you get an invoice for parking in a car park without paying?
Did you think you were above this thing called payment?
g40steve said:
Should I just pay up or see if I can get it reduced?
Car park only had 5 cars in & it was a genuine mistake on the overstay.
Taking elderly relative to hospital to visit wife & the distance & speed of said relative ate too much time due to distance once within hospital & finding correct ward.
I think it reduces to £60 if paid early but still a kicking for 30m overdue on a quiet day ?????
I am sorry to be unsympathetic but stories like this always amaze me.Car park only had 5 cars in & it was a genuine mistake on the overstay.
Taking elderly relative to hospital to visit wife & the distance & speed of said relative ate too much time due to distance once within hospital & finding correct ward.
I think it reduces to £60 if paid early but still a kicking for 30m overdue on a quiet day ?????
Paid for something, used more & in spite of knowing the consequences & admitting the additional consumption think they have a right to not comply.
Yes, I get that the level of penalty is high, it is meant to be, hence the reduction.
Why didn't you just pay for the additional time before leaving?
They always have a phone number on the charge notice, did you ring them before leaving & explain the situation/plead for clemency?
I am guessing the answer to the above is no, so those would have been your chances to pay a more reasonable charge squandered for me.
Whether the car park is empty or full has no bearing on what you did, so is no defence.
Like I mentioned previously taking an elderly relative & said relative though mobile I did not realise how slow.
We parked as near to hospital as possible, hospital was vast & we arrived where relative was supposed to be. On arrival they were now in another ward in another block.
After a short stay 20 mins or so we had to wait to see doctor on duty to find out about release dates. By the time we arrived back at car we were 30 mins over due.
Relative was stressed, upset & confused so with hindsight yes should’ve paid the additional but did not envisage such distances & time.
You obviously have no idea re helping folks in there late 80’s & I now know the additional times required.
I did pay but overstayed & buying additional ticket would not of prevented fine, already gone over limit.
We parked as near to hospital as possible, hospital was vast & we arrived where relative was supposed to be. On arrival they were now in another ward in another block.
After a short stay 20 mins or so we had to wait to see doctor on duty to find out about release dates. By the time we arrived back at car we were 30 mins over due.
Relative was stressed, upset & confused so with hindsight yes should’ve paid the additional but did not envisage such distances & time.
You obviously have no idea re helping folks in there late 80’s & I now know the additional times required.
I did pay but overstayed & buying additional ticket would not of prevented fine, already gone over limit.
g40steve said:
You obviously have no idea re helping folks in there late 80’s & I now know the additional times required.
And you (obviously) had no idea "re" helping folks in there (sic) late 80s. either. But now you know.However a lot of us DO know about caring for relatives, ill or elderly, and one of the thing you MUST do is make sure you are bulletproof when it comes to hospital parking. I know this thread has not gone the way you expected it to, but you've learned a lesson. If this assistance is to be a regular thing then find out if the consultant can issue you with a parking pass; if not, make sure you pay for parking at least twice as long as you would normally expect. There's any number of thing that can go wrong, and there is no mitigation with hospital parking authorities, they've heard it all before!
TonyF1 said:
g40steve said:
I did pay but overstayed & buying additional ticket would not of prevented fine, already gone over limit.
Buying additional parking would most certainly have prevented a fine if car park didn’t have a maximum stay limit.Here is what your reply would then have been to the PCN notice.
I paid for 30 mins at x o' clock & for another 30 mins at x.30 o' clock here you are, I have kept the tickets so you can "do one" with your PCN. HA!
E-bmw said:
I am sorry to be unsympathetic but stories like this always amaze me.
Paid for something, used more & in spite of knowing the consequences & admitting the additional consumption think they have a right to not comply.
Yes, I get that the level of penalty is high, it is meant to be, hence the reduction.
I am both sympathetic and unsympathetic.Paid for something, used more & in spite of knowing the consequences & admitting the additional consumption think they have a right to not comply.
Yes, I get that the level of penalty is high, it is meant to be, hence the reduction.
As a general rule I will always prefer to use carparks where you pay upon returning to your vehicle where they're available (even if the walk is further, obviously usually irrelevant in hospital context especially with older relatives in tow!)...
And having used a carpark of this format at Gloucester Royal recently, I'm firmly of the belief that all hospital carparks should all be of this type - the technology is surely no more complicated than the vulture style that dings you for losing track of time (or encountering unforeseen delays).
If this were about anything other than vulture capitalism they would be - it's hardly difficult to foresee that people will accidentally wind up staying longer than expected and that how long they paid to park for might not exactly be at the front of their minds.
On the other hand... I always pay for longer than I think I'll need, especially at hospitals, for exactly that reason - it seems intuitively obvious that it's easy to stay longer than expected without noticing.
g40steve said:
We parked as near to hospital as possible, hospital was vast & we arrived where relative was supposed to be. On arrival they were now in another ward in another block.
After a short stay 20 mins or so we had to wait to see doctor on duty to find out about release dates. By the time we arrived back at car we were 30 mins over due.
Relative was stressed, upset & confused so with hindsight yes should’ve paid the additional but did not envisage such distances & time.
You obviously have no idea re helping folks in there late 80’s & I now know the additional times required.
I did pay but overstayed & buying additional ticket would not of prevented fine, already gone over limit.
deja.vu said:
Mr Miata said:
Remember, extortion and robbery is allowed if white collar scumbags are doing it to you. It amazes me what these cowboy parking companies are allowed to get away with just to make a quick buck.
I once got a similar fine for walking to a shop across the road from the carpark. Do they honestly expect people to drive the width of the road? No common sense, just using people as a cash cow.
It’s very easy to avoid. I once got a similar fine for walking to a shop across the road from the carpark. Do they honestly expect people to drive the width of the road? No common sense, just using people as a cash cow.
Remember, these firms only exist because people park were and when the shouldn’t.
It’s very easy to put them all out of business…
They have a business model based on making money from the lazy and the dim.
There's a never-ending supply of the above.
I try and avoid being lazy and I try and avoid being dim - ergo I never receive penalty/parking charge notices.
oyster said:
Exactly this.
They have a business model based on making money from the lazy and the dim.
There's a never-ending supply of the above.
I try and avoid being lazy and I try and avoid being dim - ergo I never receive penalty/parking charge notices.
You may not be lazy or dim but I could suggest you are a number of other things based on the post above. It quite possible to get an invoice which is totally unjustified. They have a business model based on making money from the lazy and the dim.
There's a never-ending supply of the above.
I try and avoid being lazy and I try and avoid being dim - ergo I never receive penalty/parking charge notices.
A friend got several invoices for parking in the parking spot he owned when he did not display a parking permit. I am current being chased for one having driven via the one way in front of my local station. Its narrow and a van delivering to one of the shops blocked the route. I had to wait 10 minutes while he unloaded and left. Then got an invoice from the cameras which spotted it had taken me 10 minutes to enter and exit the route and assumed I was parked. Fortunately, they took 2 months to send the invoice so am ignoring it.
As with Council Issued Fines (This Charge Notice) AKA a Invoice Charge are generally subject to 10 minutes grace period, so you are well over that.
That said if it ANPR many of these systems start recording your time long before your even in the car park or 'Parked'.
Under BPA IPC rules you should get a 14 day 50% reduced period in which to pay, I am not clear if that has passed?
If its a hospital car park that operates a pay on arrival system I can imagine that is rather problematic given how unpredictable hospital waiting times, appointments delays are and so on.
Must be like shooting fish in a barrel!
I have not seen a hospital that operates such a system, most I have encountered have a pay when leaving system to account for your time with barriers.
That said if it ANPR many of these systems start recording your time long before your even in the car park or 'Parked'.
Under BPA IPC rules you should get a 14 day 50% reduced period in which to pay, I am not clear if that has passed?
If its a hospital car park that operates a pay on arrival system I can imagine that is rather problematic given how unpredictable hospital waiting times, appointments delays are and so on.
Must be like shooting fish in a barrel!
I have not seen a hospital that operates such a system, most I have encountered have a pay when leaving system to account for your time with barriers.
Edited by DashDriver on Tuesday 4th April 14:35
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