Dangerous Dog, what to do?
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CArmo123

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71 posts

89 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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Having an issue with a dog owner on our street, aiming to resolve amicably but unsure what the law states.

Man comes down the street as my wife and daughter do the school run. Has a big alsatian. Dog strains on the lead if my wife and daughter are on the driveway. Man has started walking the dog without a lead now and the situation is concerning. If the dog goes for it the man won't stop it before it reaches my family.

I'm not a shrinking violet, if the dog comes on my land near my daughter I will kill it.

Not being a dog owner, how do I approach this individual to resolve the situation? What's the law state about dogs on the street in respect to leads?

paradigital

1,077 posts

175 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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Nothing there suggests anything other than an excitable dog. Does it do anything other than tug on the lead that makes you think the dog is dangerous?

sixor8

7,769 posts

291 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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Dogs have to be 'under control', but not necessarily on a lead (it's not classed as a 'dangerous breed') unless there is a local by-law indicating it (often seen in parks). If you feel it is out of control, I expect you can report it, but unsure who to?

InitialDave

14,301 posts

142 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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I'd just talk to him, say that some of your family have a fear of dogs, and ask if he can keep it on a lead around you.

How that discussion goes will influence how to proceed next.

smn159

15,026 posts

240 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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The dog can't be dangerously out of control when off of it's lead.

Is it dangerously out of control? If so you can report it

https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/report-a-dog

vonhosen

40,597 posts

240 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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CArmo123 said:
Having an issue with a dog owner on our street, aiming to resolve amicably but unsure what the law states.

Man comes down the street as my wife and daughter do the school run. Has a big alsatian. Dog strains on the lead if my wife and daughter are on the driveway. Man has started walking the dog without a lead now and the situation is concerning. If the dog goes for it the man won't stop it before it reaches my family.

I'm not a shrinking violet, if the dog comes on my land near my daughter I will kill it.

Not being a dog owner, how do I approach this individual to resolve the situation? What's the law state about dogs on the street in respect to leads?
Where do you live?
Have your local council designated local roads under s27 Road Traffic Act 1988?

LosingGrip

8,634 posts

182 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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InitialDave said:
I'd just talk to him, say that some of your family have a fear of dogs, and ask if he can keep it on a lead around you.

How that discussion goes will influence how to proceed next.
I've often found that people get defensive when you say this as they take it personally that you think their dog will attack you. I just said that I'm allergic to dogs.

Muzzer79

12,649 posts

210 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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InitialDave said:
I'd just talk to him, say that some of your family have a fear of dogs, and ask if he can keep it on a lead around you.

How that discussion goes will influence how to proceed next.
This

He’d have to be a serious kind of moron to have an Alsatian off lead if he hasn’t trained it well.


Muzzer79

12,649 posts

210 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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CArmo123 said:
I'm not a shrinking violet, if the dog comes on my land near my daughter I will kill it.
I’d also advise giving an element of the benefit of the doubt.

You’ve titled your post as ‘dangerous dog’. Just because it’s an Alsatian and off lead, doesn’t make it dangerous.

If it approaches you daughter in a calm manner, it doesn’t mean it will eat her. Obviously if the dog is aggressive, it’s a different story.

I’m not a fan of off-lead dogs in public places unless they are very well trained but if my dog calmly approached your daughter and you killed him as a result, I’d not be responsible for my actions…


Rene Souffle

3,662 posts

236 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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What’s made you think it’s dangerous? Because it strains on a lead?

Or are you saying it’s straining on the lead growling and barking at your wife/daughter?

Glenn63

3,734 posts

107 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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I my dog sometimes pulls on the lead but walks fine off it, it’s only a French bulldog so people aren’t usually scared of her, but if someone politely asked me to put her on the lead as a child etc isn’t fond of dogs I’d have no issue doing so.

PastelNata

4,419 posts

223 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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Alsatian's and German Shepherd's are very responsive to training. A young, inquisitive dog will strain on the lead because it wants to investigate given natural curiosity but this doesn't automatically mean it will fully approach and it certainly doesn't imply aggression unless the dog is displaying overtly vicious behaviour.

If the Owner has a right to walk his dog in the area in question without a lead - subject to the owner being satisfied that his dog, his responsibility, is no threat then the OP needs to learn to share the space.

A sensible dog owner, however, would listen to any fears or complaints and do what is necessary to reduce any potential conflict especially with a close neighbour. I would walk my dog on a lead near anyone who is fearful of dogs and would expect the same of any dog owners.

If the OP overreacts and attacks the dog without the dog displaying any aggression, then the dog cannot be blamed for defending itself.

OP, your post comes across as someone who is fearful of dogs and doesn't understand their behaviour. The best course of action would be to engage in a polite conversation with the owner. If he is walking it illegally, then insist upon a lead. Don't, however, attack an innocent animal. In doing so you risk personal harm from both the dog and owner that could be easily avoided.


hidetheelephants

33,479 posts

216 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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There's a lot of difference between a dog straining because it wants to eat your face and a dog straining because it's just curious, wants to sniff your crotch, slurp you to death and is badly trained; which is it? Although your anxiety is understandable discussing it with the dogowner in a non-confrontational way may get the best result, perhaps you and your family could meet the dog and get to know it rather than dismissing it as a monster without evidence.

CraigyMc

18,111 posts

259 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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CArmo123 said:
Having an issue with a dog owner on our street, aiming to resolve amicably but unsure what the law states.

Man comes down the street as my wife and daughter do the school run. Has a big alsatian. Dog strains on the lead if my wife and daughter are on the driveway. Man has started walking the dog without a lead now and the situation is concerning. If the dog goes for it the man won't stop it before it reaches my family.

I'm not a shrinking violet, if the dog comes on my land near my daughter I will kill it.

Not being a dog owner, how do I approach this individual to resolve the situation? What's the law state about dogs on the street in respect to leads?
How about learning to be a normal human?

jm8403

2,515 posts

48 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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CraigyMc said:
CArmo123 said:
Having an issue with a dog owner on our street, aiming to resolve amicably but unsure what the law states.

Man comes down the street as my wife and daughter do the school run. Has a big alsatian. Dog strains on the lead if my wife and daughter are on the driveway. Man has started walking the dog without a lead now and the situation is concerning. If the dog goes for it the man won't stop it before it reaches my family.

I'm not a shrinking violet, if the dog comes on my land near my daughter I will kill it.

Not being a dog owner, how do I approach this individual to resolve the situation? What's the law state about dogs on the street in respect to leads?
How about learning to be a normal human?
What is not normal about that? Would you rather it attacked your child?

loskie

6,709 posts

143 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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how are you going to kill it? That's quite an interesting threat.

dudleybloke

20,553 posts

209 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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My mates old rottie would pull if he was on the lead but off the lead he was more relaxed and just stayed near you without needing telling.

Grumps.

16,974 posts

59 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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CArmo123 said:
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I will kill it.
What with? Lots of shouty noises?

It’s an Alsatian and you will more than likely come off worse if it’s that bad.

Speak to the local council or police get some proper evidence and give them all the details.

Don’t try and be a hero.

InitialDave

14,301 posts

142 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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jm8403 said:
What is not normal about that? Would you rather it attacked your child?
He said he'd do so if it came on his land near his daughter, so there's clearly something not right with him.

I assumed it was just him being billy big bks about it on the internet and so ignored it in favour of suggesting actual advice.

0a

24,061 posts

217 months

Sunday 9th April 2023
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Seems like the OP might be the dangerous one, not the dog here.