RE: Jaguar announces electric four-door GT for 2025
RE: Jaguar announces electric four-door GT for 2025
Wednesday 19th April 2023

Jaguar announces electric four-door GT for 2025

Future model will spearhead JLR's £15bn pure-electric push


Jaguar will reveal an all-new four-door electric GT next year as it seeks to dramatically accelerate its transition to becoming ‘the world’s leading modern luxury car manufacturer’. The as-yet-unnamed car will act as a spearhead to a forthcoming three-model lineup, all set to be underpinned by bespoke EV architecture that will serve as part of the technical bedrock to JLR’s Reimagine strategy. The manufacturer reckons that investment worth £15bn over 5 years is underpinning its ‘modern luxury vision’ for the near future. 

The flagship GT car will be built in Solihull, and its output is said to eclipse any previous Jaguar. A range of up to 430 miles is being targeted, and its new platform - named JEA - is said to be tailored specifically to the brand. Expect the styling to be entirely fresh, too - speaking of its forthcoming EV offensive, JLR’s Chief Creative Officer noted: “We have radically reimagined Jaguar as a modern luxury brand. The key to Jaguar’s transformation is that the designs convey that they are a copy of nothing.” To that luxurious end, indicative pricing says the GT will cost from £100k. We’re promised more details about the car later this year ahead of sales in 2024 and deliveries in 2025. 

If that all feels too far away to get you truly revved up, then rest assured that the next step in JLR’s electrification roadmap is for Land Rover to begin inviting applications for all-electric Range Rover orders later this year. Expect the stampede for that long-awaited model to be earth-shaking. Additionally - and just in case you were worried that medium-size SUVs had fallen off the roadmap - JLR also confirmed that the first of its next-generation, medium-size SUVs will be an all-electric model from the Range Rover family, again built on its own ‘electrified modular architecture’. 

That will launch in 2025, so we’ll likely see it next year. It will be built at Halewood, itself destined to become an all-electric production facility as part of the wider strategy, while in time the Engine Manufacturing Centre in Wolverhampton will be renamed the Electric Propulsion Manufacturing Centre as it incorporates the production of EV powertrain components. 

Interestingly, while the signage might be changing in the near future, JLR did reiterate that it will retain the modular longitudinal architecture that currently underpins the Range Rover and Range Rover Sport. Given the ‘needs of different markets around the world’ - and despite JLR’s ‘electric-first’ fanfare - its flexibility, and the popularity of the existing models that sit on it, will be crucial for what remains of the decade. 

Reaffirming the manufacturer’s commitment to its Reimagine strategy, and commenting on the progress, JLR CEO Adrian Mardell, said: “With Range Rover, the original luxury SUV, available for pre-order in pure electric form later this year, and the first of three breath-taking electric reimagined Jaguar models to be launched in 2025, we are stepping into an incredibly exciting new electric era for JLR as a modern luxury business.”


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sifocus

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103 posts

204 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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Will be interesting to see this unfold and if Jaguar can really make a go of this. Their future relies on this working. Some big decisions have been made. Hope it works for them.

DonkeyApple

70,170 posts

199 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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I'm guessing they've taken the big estate that was a JV between Jaguar and Land Rover and fastbacked it?

Will be interesting to see it and whether pushing it upmarket will manage to break the brand away from where it got trapped. The iPace remains a good looking car so fingers crossed.

Twinair

1,038 posts

172 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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C’mon, it’s easy: BIG iPad in the dash, some dorky looking ‘aero’ wheels - and much ‘green words’ in the brochure, instant hit with BEV buyers. Simples. No?!!

terrye

1 posts

62 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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I think we are witnessing the beginnings of the end for JLR, they are pushing into a market already saturated with high performance vehicles that only a certain amount of rich people can afford. They will have to be really individual and look like nothing else on the market and also get a handle on their reliability issues otherwise bye-bye.

DonkeyApple

70,170 posts

199 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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Twinair said:
C’mon, it’s easy: BIG iPad in the dash, some dorky looking ‘aero’ wheels - and much ‘green words’ in the brochure, instant hit with BEV buyers. Simples. No?!!
Of course. Getting some big titted council skank to lie on the bonnet while a dodgy looking bloke tabbing a Rothmans and supposedly representing the target customer doesn't work any more.

Marketing evolves but what never changes is the utter delusion that forms the basis of telling the target customer that this purchase will make them a better person.

Tits on bonnets or tits in trees, smoking a fag or pondering the plight of dolphins. It's all the same old tat simply evolved to match the consumer illusions etc.

I wouldn't read too much into it. Especially as the girls can now make more money online and the blokes can still tab away in their bedroom while engaging online.

DonkeyApple

70,170 posts

199 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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terrye said:
I think we are witnessing the beginnings of the end for JLR, they are pushing into a market already saturated with high performance vehicles that only a certain amount of rich people can afford. They will have to be really individual and look like nothing else on the market and also get a handle on their reliability issues otherwise bye-bye.
Two tier economy though. Firms have to choose which one they want to sell into. Absolutely no shortage in the planet of people who can buy £100k cars and Jaguar are a smaller manufacturer so will hopefully succeed.

What Jaguar cannot do is make cheap cars for poor people. Their costs and economies of scale are completely wrong for that. They can't compete against the standard German stuff etc.

Fusion777

2,629 posts

78 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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sifocus said:
Will be interesting to see this unfold and if Jaguar can really make a go of this. Their future relies on this working. Some big decisions have been made. Hope it works for them.
Hasn't this been said since the 90s?

Jaguar can't rely on a £100k car.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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Good news for jobs in the UK. Especially those at the Engine Manufacturing Centre.

I'm sure this thread will turn into the usual JLR bashing but ultimately it shouldn't be forgotten how many people they employ directly, and those supplying them.

ImDesigner

1,961 posts

224 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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Fusion777 said:
sifocus said:
Will be interesting to see this unfold and if Jaguar can really make a go of this. Their future relies on this working. Some big decisions have been made. Hope it works for them.
Hasn't this been said since the 90s?

Jaguar can't rely on a £100k car.
Jaguar can't rely on volume. They can't compete with the volume German manufacturers build. 40k cars don't make money when sold in low numbers. 100k cars sold in low numbers do make money - case in point being Range Rover.

If new Jags have the wow factor and the rebrand takes them away from their traditional old money market, it could very well succeed.

Fusion777

2,629 posts

78 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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ImDesigner said:
Jaguar can't rely on volume. They can't compete with the volume German manufacturers build. 40k cars don't make money when sold in low numbers. 100k cars sold in low numbers do make money - case in point being Range Rover.

If new Jags have the wow factor and the rebrand takes them away from their traditional old money market, it could very well succeed.
Are there enough people wanting a £100k car that isn't a Range Rover, Porsche, Mercedes, BMW and so on?

SmithCorona

849 posts

59 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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There is absolutely a gap between generic German cars, that share a lot of parts across the range and have limited interior customisation options, and the true luxury vehicles (Bentley, Rolls Royce).

We will definitely be interested in this to replace our end of run XJ - good luck to Jaguar, a lot seem to always want them to fail.

Stick Legs

8,972 posts

195 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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I really hope this works.
It’s not that hard either.
£100k isn’t that much anymore if you are leasing.

I have a Mercedes EQC & a Range Rover L405.

The EQC lease is up in 18 months. Honestly if they make something gorgeous that goes well & feels luxurious inside then I will most probably lease one.
I’m not alone, the Audi/BMW/Mercedes executives are so generic. Jaguar always acted as an antidote to those cars. Hope it’s to continue.

Frankly I’d be delighted if they had just stuffed the iPace running gear under an X351 XJ. But I’m easily pleased.

SmithCorona

849 posts

59 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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Exactly.

Julian Scott

4,308 posts

54 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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terrye said:
I think we are witnessing the beginnings of the end for JLR, they are pushing into a market already saturated with high performance vehicles that only a certain amount of rich people can afford. They will have to be really individual and look like nothing else on the market and also get a handle on their reliability issues otherwise bye-bye.
Where is the saturation in the large 4-door GT EV market? Taycan perhaps, and......? Maybe the EQS? Whether you accept it or not, neither of those are the preserve of the 'Rich'?


Black S2K

1,918 posts

279 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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Julian Scott said:
terrye said:
I think we are witnessing the beginnings of the end for JLR, they are pushing into a market already saturated with high performance vehicles that only a certain amount of rich people can afford. They will have to be really individual and look like nothing else on the market and also get a handle on their reliability issues otherwise bye-bye.
Where is the saturation in the large 4-door GT EV market? Taycan perhaps, and......? Maybe the EQS? Whether you accept it or not, neither of those are the preserve of the 'Rich'?
Not yet, there isn't.

But there are all these made-up Chinese 'premium' brands coming and Afeela (ugh!) Lexus et al will be pushing upmarket.

At least Jaguar is a real marque with a (battered) heritage.

So if Gerry McGovern does knock it out of the park, there is a chance...but that's the hard part.

Julian Scott

4,308 posts

54 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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Black S2K said:
Julian Scott said:
terrye said:
I think we are witnessing the beginnings of the end for JLR, they are pushing into a market already saturated with high performance vehicles that only a certain amount of rich people can afford. They will have to be really individual and look like nothing else on the market and also get a handle on their reliability issues otherwise bye-bye.
Where is the saturation in the large 4-door GT EV market? Taycan perhaps, and......? Maybe the EQS? Whether you accept it or not, neither of those are the preserve of the 'Rich'?
Not yet, there isn't.

But there are all these made-up Chinese 'premium' brands coming and Afeela (ugh!) Lexus et al will be pushing upmarket.

At least Jaguar is a real marque with a (battered) heritage.

So if Gerry McGovern does knock it out of the park, there is a chance...but that's the hard part.
Exactly, so the 'already saturated' is as saturated as Death Valley. Gotta love the PH masses national support for British brands.


Stick Legs

8,972 posts

195 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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There is still a lot of love for the marque.

Jaguar have one if the most storied and successful names in the business.

It’s entirely plausible that they make a success of this.

After all, before the Turbo R Bentley were an badge engineered irrelevance being slowly asphyxiated by BAe.

Now look at them!

If Jaguar capture lightning in a bottle the way Bentley managed with the Continental GT and re-set their market they could be a very serious contender.

Look where Land Rover were before the L322.
The P38 & aeging Defender / Disco Td300 could have ben left to die.

Then Sport, Evoque and now people paying £100k over to get the new Range Rover ahead of the que.


ridds

8,372 posts

274 months

Thursday 20th April 2023
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£15bn investment over 5 years.

Average annual profit over the last few years, £0.5bn (pre-tax and exceptional charges).

Seems like a great plan to me. jester


LooneyTunes

9,426 posts

188 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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Stick Legs said:


There is still a lot of love for the marque.

Jaguar have one if the most storied and successful names in the business.

It’s entirely plausible that they make a success of this.

After all, before the Turbo R Bentley were an badge engineered irrelevance being slowly asphyxiated by BAe.

Now look at them!

If Jaguar capture lightning in a bottle the way Bentley managed with the Continental GT and re-set their market they could be a very serious contender.

Look where Land Rover were before the L322.
The P38 & aeging Defender / Disco Td300 could have ben left to die.

Then Sport, Evoque and now people paying £100k over to get the new Range Rover ahead of the que.
Reset their market? Jaguar’s traditional market has forgotten they even exist…

They made a huge mistake killing off/not replacing the XK and XJ and are now faced with cheaper models dragging on any brand repositioning effort.

It’s not just the cars that need attention either. The dealer network has shrunk over the years. Whilst the obvious suggestion is to sell them next to Range Rovers, many dealerships won’t have space.

DonkeyApple

70,170 posts

199 months

Friday 21st April 2023
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Stick Legs said:



There is still a lot of love for the marque.

Jaguar have one if the most storied and successful names in the business.

It’s entirely plausible that they make a success of this.

After all, before the Turbo R Bentley were an badge engineered irrelevance being slowly asphyxiated by BAe.

Now look at them!

If Jaguar capture lightning in a bottle the way Bentley managed with the Continental GT and re-set their market they could be a very serious contender.

Look where Land Rover were before the L322.
The P38 & aeging Defender / Disco Td300 could have ben left to die.

Then Sport, Evoque and now people paying £100k over to get the new Range Rover ahead of the que.
I think full EV is the only and last chance for Jaguar. And it's a market where there is zero point as of yet in building a product for folk without money, without income, without driveways. And then there is zero point in going after the standard German stuff on driveways.

I suspect for a modest volume producer in an expensive country the only sane option is to target the market that's buying Range Rovers, Taycans, which is clearly large enough.

When one considers the modern history of Jaguar as large cars, very smooth to drive and with large engines capable of delivering large levels of relaxing torque then shrinking those large engines down to 3 pot turbo screamers to meet emission and tax criteria was a nonstarter.

Only pure EV delivers on brand values and expectations and as they've not been successful in selling off Jaguar this is their only sane step forward.

They're still going to be hobbled by LR being the SUV arm but a big GT and some crossovers of varying size should be enough? Especially as all the Tuareg based SUVs seem to be much closer to being crossovers now than twenty years ago when they had to try and pretend to look like 4x4s.

I do hope Jag succeed as there's a great heritage there and they've spent the last 20 years either kicking themselves in the balls or being kicked in the balls by others. It's certainly very bold deciding to build in the U.K.