RE: Ferrari 612 Scaglietti manual | PH Private Area
RE: Ferrari 612 Scaglietti manual | PH Private Area
Tuesday 25th April 2023

Ferrari 612 Scaglietti manual | PH Private Area

Once upon a time, this was a silver 612 F1; it's much more exciting than that now


Hopefully it’s not too contentious to say that the automated manual gearbox spoilt - or at least drastically limited - a whole generation of cars. If only dual-clutch transmission technology had arrived earlier, the world would have been spared SMGs, R-Tronics, e-gears, Sportshifts, Selespeeds and the rest. Vastly better cars would have resulted, too, especially as the automated manual’s period of prevalence in the early 2000s coincided, sadly, with a glut of truly wonderful engines. Imagine all those Lamborghinis, Aston Martins, M cars and Maseratis tarnished by AMTs that could have been superb with DCTs. 

The silver lining to this clutchless cloud is the aftermarket industry that has sprung up to convert cars with iffy gearboxes. It’s a simpler swap than most, too, because a manual gearbox was still being operated. Just by an actuator, rather than arm and leg. As widespread electrification and (in the fullness of time) automotive autonomy looms, so the dedicated enthusiast is craving the inimitable interaction of a manual gearbox. Despite the best intentions, the automated version tended to seem like the worst of both worlds.

Once upon a time, this Ferrari 612 Scaglietti had the F1 gearbox. The vast majority did, like so many Ferraris of the time, with only around 200 manual Scags for the whole planet. And while Ferrari’s F1 ‘box was better than most, it was made to look very old hat when the DCTs arrived. And there really is no joy quite like a gated Ferrari V12 manual, so the owner of this one had it converted. You only live once, eh?

‘Clunky and inept’ is how the seller describes it, which is quite kind. Having endured it for two years of ownership, the robotic selector mechanism was junked in 2019, with a clutch pedal and gearlever taking its place. Not only does it look brilliant in a pre-manettino, old-school Ferrari interior, the owner says it’s been driving perfectly ever since the swap. Almost like it was always meant to be there… In addition, this Scaglietti benefits from some upgraded intake parts of a 599, said to create something ‘significantly more urgent in character than a regular 612’. Don’t forget this is a car powered, as standard, by a 540hp, 5.7-litre V12, an evolution of the engine used in the 550 Maranello and 575. Now more urgent, and with a manual gearbox - sounds pretty great to us.

Then there’s the colour. Apparently, the second owner was intent on owning a white Ferrari (a Chris Evans wannabe, perhaps) and so commissioned Joe Macari to bare-metal respray their silver 612 into Bianca Avus. This certainly grabs the attention, as one of the rarer colours chosen, even if the big beast still isn’t Ferrari’s prettiest 2+2. The upgraded wheels, replacing the standard split rims, certainly help.

As admitted in the advert, this car isn’t one for the Ferrari purist - and won’t be getting its Classiche certificate anytime soon - but for those of us who just love driving the cars (rather than arguing about chassis numbers and options) it looks like a very exciting opportunity. The 612 has covered just over 40,000 miles, so a new owner needn’t worry about click-clacking their way to many more, and its modified status means they could continue tweaking to their heart’s content. If they really wanted to, all the F1 bits come with the car to convert the transmission back…

Moreover, the advert is crammed full of detail and enthusiasm, this Ferrari clearly adored for the past half a dozen years or so. There’s even a YouTube vid. Perhaps best of all, the 612 is priced - £72,999 - in the ballpark of F1-gearboxed cars; the only other manual (from the factory) 612 on PH has fewer miles, yes, but is also a private sale and £135,000. You don’t need us to remind you of the premium attached to manual 575s at the moment, either. This is only £10k more than the most affordable V12 Ferrari on PH, a 456 that’s 10 years older and 100hp less potent. For those willing to forgo some originality, this 612 Scag looks like being a very special Ferrari GT.


SPECIFICATION | FERRARI 612 SCAGLIETTI

Engine: 5,748cc, V12
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 540@7,250rpm 
Torque (lb ft): 434@5,250rpm
MPG: 13.6 (!)
CO2: 475g/km
First registered: 2005
Recorded mileage: 43,000
Price new: £182,700
Yours for: £72,999

See the original advert here

Image credit | Luke Allan

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Baddie

Original Poster:

807 posts

247 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Would have picked a darker colour, think these are colour sensitive and for me look great in a dark blue or grey.

Otherwise, yes please!

Arsecati

2,784 posts

147 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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I'm still not a fan of the headlights, but weirdly for me...... I think it looks great!

GianiCakes

702 posts

103 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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I actually didn’t mind the F1 box in mine although it was the last and therefore fastest iteration. The slightly wobbly handling bugged me more so I wonder, as this car has already been modded from original, what a chassis expert could do by changing to a set of swanky coil overs?
I do miss the car though and they have great character so, if anybody is tempted by this one, don’t deny yourself!

howardhughes

1,418 posts

234 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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I love the design, but the colour doesn't suit it at all.

Robertb

3,882 posts

268 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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A design that I didn’t like when new, but love now!

What a great car for someone to continue to enjoy and cherish.

If I had the money Id buy it and might budget for a respray to Blu TDF, or Grigio Titanio, but actually I rather like it in white and it’s presumably been done properly.

Another great spotted!

Edited by Robertb on Tuesday 25th April 07:25

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Red or a dark blue would definitely be better, but it's still a stunning design ....take note BMW you dont need 7000 flaps intake vents to make a good looking car. This thing is lovely. !

Augustus Windsock

3,801 posts

185 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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I’m with the previous posters, the colour is just wrong, the headlights and wheels don’t really appeal either, and I’d rather have a 540 / 575 based on looks alone
My main issue is that this cars ‘face’ reminds me of a Ghostbuster character..

whp1983

1,392 posts

169 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Love the enthusiasm from the owner, I’d have gone TDF blue for the respray but I always appreciate someone owning a car just for their benefit and not future sales…. Superb

spikyone

1,915 posts

130 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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howardhughes said:
I love the design, but the colour doesn't suit it at all.
Same here. Don't like the colour or the wheels; add in the stick-on numberplate and the overall effect is to make it look like a replica. (Is it just me or does that always look worse than using the mounting points that the manufacturer intended?)

As someone else said, fair play to the owner for making the car that they wanted, but the fact they're having to take such a haircut on it speaks volumes.

sjc

16,444 posts

300 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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I’m sure I saw this on an auction site recently,maybe it didn’t reach reserve. Also agree with previous posters about the colour,but all that said I bet that’s a cracking buy.

CarlosSainz100

727 posts

150 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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How does an automated manual work in practice? When I go to change gear how is it different to an automatic? There's no clutch pedal, right? Is it just the changes are jerky and take ages?

200Plus Club

13,683 posts

308 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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A V12 powered fridge. Colour doesn't help it in any way.

Twoshoe

1,004 posts

214 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Well, I'm going to go against the grain here and say I think it looks great in that colour. There, said it.

Daniel-89u1d

77 posts

53 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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If they'd just gotten the headlight design right it really isn't a bad looking car at all. Headlghts kill it.

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Dream car, especially in manual form. But in white? All I can hear is John Bomham's drum solo....

samoht

7,287 posts

176 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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CarlosSainz100 said:
How does an automated manual work in practice? When I go to change gear how is it different to an automatic? There's no clutch pedal, right? Is it just the changes are jerky and take ages?
In terms of what you see, correct, there is no clutch pedal. A single-clutch automated manual like this will have manual controls on the steering wheel to shift, although there will also be an 'auto' mode where it changes for you.

The main reason the single-clutch automated manual is unsatisfactory is that just like an actual manual gearbox, there is necessarily an interruption in torque delivery when changing gear. Now, when a human is in control of the process that's ok, we learn to blend off the throttle and let in the clutch smoothly, pick the new gear, and reverse the process to take up drive smoothly in the new gear. However when the car does it automatically the interruption in drive and the resulting longitudinal jerk takes you by surprise, and the rate at which it feathers the gears in and out is rarely appropriate to the situation.

A traditional torque converter auto has epicyclic gears which are brought in and out using a brake band each, and crucially you can let the next gear in as you let the old one out, with no 'neutral' state in between - torque continues to be applied. Which is why a half-decent auto can change more smoothly than the best driver.

The dual clutch gearbox is like the single-clutch automated manual in construction, with the critical improvement that odd and even gears are split onto separate shafts with a clutch each, and thus you can let one gear out as you let the next one in, continuously with no interruption in drive.

It's this ability to slip between one gear and the next, instead of first slipping out of one gear to neutral and then into the next, which makes a shift seamless with torque continuing to be applied to the car, and which thus makes it subjectively acceptable for shifts to occur automatically, rather than at the driver's direct command.

This is also why owners of single-clutch automated gearbox cars tend to recommend not using the auto mode, but taking manual command of the shifts on the paddles, because that way at least you know when they're coming and can feather the throttle a bit to help.


Turini

477 posts

196 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Mine is Grigio Silverstone and I think they are hugely colour dependent, darker the better. F1 box which I don’t mind, leave it in F1-S for the fastest shift speed and there is real joy in using the paddles up and down the box.

Try changing without lifting off under full bore acceleration and it can upset the handling and never use auto as it’s woeful. Drive round these issues and it’s a joy with that big lunged V12 up front and handling if you respect its size.

Fits the family in which for me is the clincher

mik_jg

107 posts

219 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Yes! I'd have that in a heartbeat. I'd spend a few quid on a wrap or a respray to something a little less Miami Vice and just enjoy it

Snubs

1,429 posts

169 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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Along with the colour, it's the placement of the front registration plate that I'd have to change. It gives it a weird little moustache to my eyes and looks much worse than having it and the bottom of the grille as most do.

Nish Gnackers

1,173 posts

71 months

Tuesday 25th April 2023
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sjc said:
I’m sure I saw this on an auction site recently,maybe it didn’t reach reserve. Also agree with previous posters about the colour,but all that said I bet that’s a cracking buy.
Yes it was on Collecting Cars a couple of weeks ago and only reached £50 something thousand as I recall.