Airlift from Sudan

[pequod]

Yet again, Britain at the forefront to rescue our nationals.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-65394740

A few more flights before the runway will be unusable, and those left behind will need to find another way out.

Having been in a similar situation with no easy exit, I can sympathise with those left behind.

[Zetec-S]

Very tricky situation, I feel for the people trapped, but at the same time there is very limited help the government can provide them.

Most of the news stories seem to be focused on efforts to get foreign nationals out of the country. Not so much on the bigger situation. Is this likely to become a long and protracted civil war or is there a chance it could be resolved relatively quickly?

[poo at Paul's]

Some guy on bbc from Surrey was in yesterday having been rescued and said that the ‘ Govt is not doing enough’

I just don’t get that sort of attitude. Sudan, no disrespect, is a bit of a sthole. If you go there, for whatever reason, you know that. This conflict started 12 days ago and was not out of the bleu. People, who just stay and wait to be rescued, well if that’s what you shoes to do, so be it. What can a UK govt guarantee to do over and above what they have done.

Simple fact is, go to a dodgy place, and you run the risk of things going a bit awry. And yiu have to take responsibility for being there.

I reckon it will all blow over in a couple of weeks.

[bloomen]

I don't think it'll blow over. It's been brewing for a long time.

Most of the DM comments are along the lines of 'are they WHITE?'

[Sixsixtysix]

poo at Paul's said:

Some guy on bbc from Surrey was in yesterday having been rescued and said that the ‘ Govt is not doing enough’

I just don’t get that sort of attitude. Sudan, no disrespect, is a bit of a sthole. If you go there, for whatever reason, you know that. This conflict started 12 days ago and was not out of the bleu. People, who just stay and wait to be rescued, well if that’s what you shoes to do, so be it. What can a UK govt guarantee to do over and above what they have done.

Simple fact is, go to a dodgy place, and you run the risk of things going a bit awry. And yiu have to take responsibility for being there.

I reckon it will all blow over in a couple of weeks.

Absolutely agree. If the British government sends you to work there, fair enough, but if you voluntarily decided to move to a sthole like Sudan, you need to have your own exit strategy should things go bad. Do they expect the UK to invade?

[vulture1]

poo at Paul's said:

Some guy on bbc from Surrey was in yesterday having been rescued and said that the ‘ Govt is not doing enough’

I just don’t get that sort of attitude. Sudan, no disrespect, is a bit of a sthole. If you go there, for whatever reason, you know that. This conflict started 12 days ago and was not out of the bleu. People, who just stay and wait to be rescued, well if that’s what you shoes to do, so be it. What can a UK govt guarantee to do over and above what they have done.

Simple fact is, go to a dodgy place, and you run the risk of things going a bit awry. And yiu have to take responsibility for being there.

I reckon it will all blow over in a couple of weeks.

Yeah cam understand embassy staff and family other than that its your own fault.

[vikingaero]

poo at Paul's said:

Some guy on bbc from Surrey was in yesterday having been rescued and said that the ‘ Govt is not doing enough’

I just don’t get that sort of attitude. Sudan, no disrespect, is a bit of a sthole. If you go there, for whatever reason, you know that. This conflict started 12 days ago and was not out of the bleu. People, who just stay and wait to be rescued, well if that’s what you shoes to do, so be it. What can a UK govt guarantee to do over and above what they have done.

Simple fact is, go to a dodgy place, and you run the risk of things going a bit awry. And yiu have to take responsibility for being there.

I reckon it will all blow over in a couple of weeks.

Eggsactly. Sudan has been on most countries Do Not Travel lists for donkeys. I get some people have to go their for work or family, but surely you do so in the knowledge that things could turn. If anything, being a Sudanese/British National or having family there could mean you have more in depth knowledge of risk.

[bloomen]

Sixsixtysix said:

you need to have your own exit strategy should things go bad.

There won't be one. Which is why you need governments to organise extractions and the means to notify the parties fighting. That's what they're for.

[Gecko1978]

The point was not what will government do but why you are there in first place if your British knowing its high risk country.

Iraq I have always wanted to go to Baghdad and see the hands with the two swords that form a bridge over the high way. But it's Iraq so I will never go. Pyramids again while conflict in Egypt I will give it a miss.

[Deesee]

I read this morning that circa 70 NHS doctors are stuck in Sudan having traveled for Holiday/EID....

Holiday to an active war zone, with travel not recommended, what goes through the minds of people.

[blue_haddock]

I saw a piece on the news where someone still in Sudan was complaining that we are only airlifting from the airport and people are having to make their own way there.

They basically expected us to pick them up in armoured cars and take them to the airport, which i thought was taking the pee.

[valiant]

Deesee said:

I read this morning that circa 70 NHS doctors are stuck in Sudan having traveled for Holiday/EID....

Holiday to an active war zone, with travel not recommended, what goes through the minds of people.

Visiting family?

[Zetec-S]

blue_haddock said:

I saw a piece on the news where someone still in Sudan was complaining that we are only airlifting from the airport and people are having to make their own way there.

They basically expected us to pick them up in armoured cars and take them to the airport, which i thought was taking the pee.

Yep, not sure they quite realise it, but they are basically advocating for a military invasion of a sovereign country in order to get them out.

The irony is, how many objected to the invasion or Iraq, Afghanistan, or other western imperialism?

[Deesee]

valiant said:

Deesee said:

I read this morning that circa 70 NHS doctors are stuck in Sudan having traveled for Holiday/EID....

Holiday to an active war zone, with travel not recommended, what goes through the minds of people.

Visiting family?

In an ongoing coup, with fighting and the persistent rumours of genocide..

[pork911]

Deesee said:

valiant said:

Deesee said:

I read this morning that circa 70 NHS doctors are stuck in Sudan having traveled for Holiday/EID....

Holiday to an active war zone, with travel not recommended, what goes through the minds of people.

Visiting family?

In an ongoing coup, with fighting and the persistent rumours of genocide..

On that basis when would they last have been able to visit their family and when would they likely next be able to?

How often have you been faced with similar decisions, and settled for benidorm instead?

[Fundoreen]

Who would have throught it. Put a load of tory people of colour in the government and you get a lack of concern for similar british citizens spread around the world.
I wish they would hurry up and lose the next election. If with put white people back in critical jobs they try harder to not look like racists and may actually be good people.
Must be a reason the UK was a beacon of decency over the years . Wasn't due to this current lot.

[Deesee]

pork911 said:

On that basis when would they last have been able to visit their family and when would they likely next be able to?

How often have you been faced with similar decisions, and settled for benidorm instead?

Yes, a now deceased relative settled here (UK) and was unable to return home and or see family, seen it happen.

If these 700+ returned to date were doing MSF, Charity Work etc, then well done the international community to returning them to safety.

[S600BSB]

As a country we used to be really good at managing things like this. Not withstanding the great work of our service personnel, we now seem to be a bit rubbish compared to other countries. Yet another example of broken Britain.

[GT03ROB]

bloomen said:

Sixsixtysix said:

you need to have your own exit strategy should things go bad.

There won't be one. Which is why you need governments to organise extractions and the means to notify the parties fighting. That's what they're for.

Very often this is exactly the case. We have emergency response plans & when I review them with corporate security we just laugh because they are nonsense.

Most of the time if its going to go a bit pear shaped, it will happen far quicker than you can react. By the time it has gone pear shaped your evacuation routes will be shut anyway. Funnily enough airports & main roads are the first to be shut down. Your unwritten evac plan is sit tight & wait for a freindly government to organise it.

[pork911]

Deesee said:

pork911 said:

On that basis when would they last have been able to visit their family and when would they likely next be able to?

How often have you been faced with similar decisions, and settled for benidorm instead?

Yes, a now deceased relative settled here (UK) and was unable to return home and or see family, seen it happen.

If these 700+ returned to date were doing MSF, Charity Work etc, then well done the international community to returning them to safety.

(never then?)

As I said when would these people last have been able to visit their family in Sudan and when would they likely next be able to?