Maybe we do need tin foil hats?
Maybe we do need tin foil hats?
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Skeptisk

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8,897 posts

131 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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This is exciting and interesting science

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/01...

But I do wonder whether it will eventually be used to read people’s minds without their consent. It is noted that the AI has to be trained for every person but if given the opportunity to observe people and also hear what they are hearing, presumably it could learn without you knowing? At the moment not possibly as they have to sit in a scanner but if they could develop a way of reading without you knowing you were being read…

Blue62

10,156 posts

174 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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I was reading about Geoffrey Hinton, widely regarded as the chief architect of AI, who resigned from Google the other day stating that he regretted his life’s work. Anyone interested can pick up on the article, but the point that struck a chord with me is his fear of what people like Putin would do if they had control of the technology. Proper James Bond stuff and no need for tin foil.

Derek Smith

48,611 posts

270 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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AI has been sneaking its way into everyday life for years, without thought as to consequences. At the moment, it is not intelligent of course, but I get the feeling it's only a matter of time. Oppenheimer's 'I am become death, the destroyer of worlds' was felt to be a bit OTT at the time, but we all love a good aphorism. Now the epithet is more applicable to AI.

I like predictive text, wooly searches and such, but reading minds - that's scary.

Someone suggested he's scared what Putin would do with it. But then there's the US, China, us; that scares me more.

DeejRC

8,627 posts

104 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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What the US (or UK) govts would do with advanced AI has never remotely scared me for the simple reason of institutional incompetence.
Very highly competent US commercial companies however are a very different story…

rodericb

8,467 posts

148 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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Blue62 said:
I was reading about Geoffrey Hinton, widely regarded as the chief architect of AI, who resigned from Google the other day stating that he regretted his life’s work. Anyone interested can pick up on the article, but the point that struck a chord with me is his fear of what people like Putin would do if they had control of the technology. Proper James Bond stuff and no need for tin foil.
How far along in this AI thing is Russia? Or will wily old Vlad sign up to ChatGPT via a nom de plume and continue along his path of world domination? Or is it "people like" various US intelligence agencies?

Gary29

4,840 posts

121 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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It's only a matter of time before Skynet becomes self-aware.

Time to pull the plug on the lot I reckon, and get back to basics.

JuanCarlosFandango

9,526 posts

93 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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I'll be more convinced when they can get voice typing or even predictive text to work popularly.

Donbot

4,194 posts

149 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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DeejRC said:
What the US (or UK) govts would do with advanced AI has never remotely scared me for the simple reason of institutional incompetence.
Very highly competent US commercial companies however are a very different story…
Surly the risk is that governments use AI to become competent.

bloomen

9,264 posts

181 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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Derek Smith said:
AI has been sneaking its way into everyday life for years, without thought as to consequences. At the moment, it is not intelligent of course, but I get the feeling it's only a matter of time.
I don't believe it'll ever be intelligent. It will be very, very convincing a lot of the time but when it gets it wrong it'll be laughable and very damaging.

Humans seem to have a habit of offloading vital things to factors that aren't ready. In this case caution should be highest in our minds but there'll be less than ever as it's all sparkly and cheap.



Super Sonic

11,929 posts

76 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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Blue62 said:
Anyone interested can pick up on the article,
Stand by for all the simpletons whining because you haven't put a link.

oyster

13,434 posts

270 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
I'll be more convinced when they can get voice typing or even predictive text to work popularly.
rofl
Clearly AI may help in some situations!

pquinn

7,167 posts

68 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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What they're doing is sort of analogous to doing power analysis to attack a crypto processor; looking at patterns of brain energy use to see what's busy and associate that with known text they used as training data.

This is a very crude system though, non transferable between different people and needing long detailed training with a friendly subject and lots of material similar to what you're trying to 'read'. The AI bit is nothing too clever.

Sounds good for dealing with some disability but general purpose 'mind reading' ain't happening with anything like this so leave the tinfoil in the kitchen.

Jonmx

2,869 posts

235 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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It won't just be Amazon etc that replaces human workers. This scene is more accurate than the 3 sea shells nonsense in Demolition Man, but both probably aren't far off the mark.

J4CKO

45,719 posts

222 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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"be used to read people’s minds without their consent"

They have invented what I know as my Wife !

Captain Raymond Holt

12,423 posts

216 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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oyster said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
I'll be more convinced when they can get voice typing or even predictive text to work popularly.
rofl
Clearly AI may help in some situations!
rofl

Skeptisk

Original Poster:

8,897 posts

131 months

Thursday 4th May 2023
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J4CKO said:
"be used to read people’s minds without their consent"

They have invented what I know as my Wife !
Mine misreads my mind without my consent. I am not sure which of us is worse off!

Derek Smith

48,611 posts

270 months

Friday 5th May 2023
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AI can be terribly confusing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEPfM3jSoBw