RE: Volkswagen previews new 'sporty' ID 7 GTX
RE: Volkswagen previews new 'sporty' ID 7 GTX
Thursday 11th May 2023

Volkswagen previews new 'sporty' ID 7 GTX

VW is gunning for some of Tesla's customers. To earn them, it must learn that faster is better...


For reasons that will become apparent in the very near future, PH is currently in possession of a Porsche Taycan. Very nice it is, too. Its success in showrooms is a nice reminder that well-heeled customers can still be relied upon to buy something sleek and fast and practical - i.e. something that isn’t an SUV - if you do the job properly. Whether or not VW has done the job properly when it comes to the new ID 7 remains to be seen. But evidently, the firm is keen to plough the same high-performance furrow with a go-faster flagship model, the GTX. 

Now, we’ll admit the GTX nameplate hasn’t exactly sent pulses raising thus far, and VW’s press bumf headline - ‘A long-distance limousine with more power and all-wheel drive’ - doesn’t exactly suggest dynamic excellence, but we’re willing to take all we can get in the non-SUV arena. Especially as the ID 7 is meant to be the pinnacle of the entire ID lineup, and the GTX its range-topper. Accordingly, you can expect its maker to finally concede that 300hp is not sufficient to blow anyone’s hair back in the fast-EV market. 

Obviously, the presence of 761hp in our Taycan is neither here nor there as far as VW is concerned - but when Tesla will sell you a Model 3 capable of accelerating to 60mph in 3.1 seconds, it underlines the idea that Wolfsburg needs to focus on more than just battery range. Early word suggests that it will do this by combining the new 286hp rear-mounted motor with the 110hp motor found on the front axle of the ID4 GTX. Circa 400hp would not render Tesla-beating performance - but it would result in a more respectable 0-62mph time regardless, and (coincidentally) slot in just below the point where the Taycan lineup starts. 

Not that the ID7 GTX can be expected to hold a candle to Porsche’s benchmark-setting EV in any other respect. We know that because the car is still based on the same modular tech VW has deployed elsewhere, and it prefers the term ‘intelligent sportiness’ to actual sportiness. But in that regard at least we can give the new model some wiggle room; previous performance-minded VW family cars - yes, we’re thinking about the Passat R36 - were hardly apex-kissing go-karts either. And look how in demand they are these days. Appropriately fast, decently comfortable, sort of cool-looking (expect a lot of red as a styling motif) and capable of getting 400 miles range from the larger 86kWh battery ought to be enough to earn the GTX some customers. We’ll find out at the Munich show in September if any of that will come true…


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SydneyBridge

Original Poster:

11,818 posts

188 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Stil advantage Kia and hyundai
Everyone else catching up

Stoned

119 posts

159 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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It's so strange straight line speed/power is still what the manufacturers are focused on, with our roads today it's quite irrelevant and useful for little but bragging rights.

Surely of greater importance is the range, recharge rate, initial cost and longevity of these new EV cars? All of those can be improved upon and should be the primary focus. I feel like the focus on power gives companies like VW something to shout about and take focus away from area's where improvements aren't happening at the same rate.

Dombilano

1,455 posts

85 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Sporty, in the same way a darts player is an athlete

MF35

454 posts

51 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Why does VW think I'd want to buy something called an "ID"?

dunnoreally

1,356 posts

138 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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MF35 said:
Why does VW think I'd want to buy something called an "ID"?
I guess they hoped it would be a basic impulse, but it probably got overruled by your superego.

dxg

10,780 posts

290 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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I wonder if this is a response to the distinctly lacklustre response to the reveal of the standard car?

I mean, the tagline reeks of desperation - "there is more to come... stay tuned." Sounds more like "don't give up on it yet" to me.

ChrisCh86

1,132 posts

74 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Avoid with a barge pole.

VW ID electric cars are sh***.


I'll be interested once they've actually started listening to customers.

fantheman80

2,651 posts

79 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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Stoned said:
It's so strange straight line speed/power is still what the manufacturers are focused on, with our roads today it's quite irrelevant and useful for little but bragging rights.

Surely of greater importance is the range, recharge rate, initial cost and longevity of these new EV cars? All of those can be improved upon and should be the primary focus. I feel like the focus on power gives companies like VW something to shout about and take focus away from area's where improvements aren't happening at the same rate.
For the sporty version speed/power is very important I’d say.

I’d rather genital warts, vws ID range is the pinnacle of soulless mobility

MrTouring

524 posts

125 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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dunnoreally said:
MF35 said:
Why does VW think I'd want to buy something called an "ID"?
I guess they hoped it would be a basic impulse, but it probably got overruled by your superego.
Excellent philosophical banter!

Mark V GTD

3,179 posts

154 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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ChrisCh86 said:
Avoid with a barge pole.

VW ID electric cars are sh***.


I'll be interested once they've actually started listening to customers.
Basically this …. and I have owned one!

limpsfield

6,676 posts

283 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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MrTouring said:
dunnoreally said:
MF35 said:
Why does VW think I'd want to buy something called an "ID"?
I guess they hoped it would be a basic impulse, but it probably got overruled by your superego.
Excellent philosophical banter!
I am not bright enough to understand it but it still made me smile. Good work!

Frimley111R

19,288 posts

264 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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Dombilano said:
Sporty, in the same way a darts player is an athlete
Yep, the term is applied to all sorts of cars. Put some stipes on a basic hatchback and it's 'sporty'

taineh

2 posts

135 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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dunnoreally said:
I guess they hoped it would be a basic impulse, but it probably got overruled by your superego.
I'm afreud that's a terrible joke

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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Dombilano said:
Sporty, in the same way a darts player is an athlete
Could be worse, they could have put it in the name, à la Range Rover Sport.

vikingaero

13,401 posts

199 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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So it's VW's take on the Tesla Model S?

When I saw the teaser pics, I did think: "fks sake, not another bustleback top hat looking SUV".

CharverDeeksWorth

807 posts

169 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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taineh said:
dunnoreally said:
I guess they hoped it would be a basic impulse, but it probably got overruled by your superego.
I'm afreud that's a terrible joke
I think I’m too jung to get all these jokes.

Also I agree that surely these are A-B cars for people who would be in the market for something akin to a 318d not a Tesla, I don’t see the point in 0-60 in 3 seconds without the accompanying visceral experience, it’s like sitting in a cold bath with no bubbles, actually fk me, idiots are doing that these days too.

QuantumTokoloshi

4,277 posts

247 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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dunnoreally said:
I guess they hoped it would be a basic impulse, but it probably got overruled by your superego.
I'll be needing therapy after this.

Numpty with honours

218 posts

113 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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Dombilano said:
Sporty, in the same way a darts player is an athlete
That's a good one !

James__H

135 posts

212 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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Stoned said:
It's so strange straight line speed/power is still what the manufacturers are focused on, with our roads today it's quite irrelevant and useful for little but bragging rights.

Surely of greater importance is the range, recharge rate, initial cost and longevity of these new EV cars? All of those can be improved upon and should be the primary focus. I feel like the focus on power gives companies like VW something to shout about and take focus away from area's where improvements aren't happening at the same rate.
This assumes that VW isn't also heavily focusing on range/cost/re-charge.

What if they are, and this is the pace of progression we have to expect in 2023?

GeniusOfLove

5,782 posts

42 months

Friday 12th May 2023
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How are VAG going to make their cars drive with that oh so familiar feeling of dead, nose heavy inertness without being able to hang the entire engine in front of the front axle anymore?

I'm sure it can be engineered in, perhaps with a tungsten weight in the bumper bar, but their customers obviously value that "feel" so they can't suddenly start making responsive and engaging cars overnight.