RE: Porsche Mission X targets road-legal 'ring record
RE: Porsche Mission X targets road-legal 'ring record
Thursday 8th June 2023

Porsche Mission X targets road-legal 'ring record

New EV concept lays the foundation for Porsche's eventual return to hypercar production


It’s 10 years since the world was stunned by the hybrid hypercar holy trinity: Ferrari LaFerrari, McLaren P1 and Porsche 918 Spyder. Now the latter has previewed how its EV hypercar future might look, on the very day that it celebrates the 75th anniversary since the first 356 Roadster registration. This is the Mission X, a ‘spectacular reinterpretation of a hypercar, with Le Mans-style doors that open upwards to the front and a high-performance, efficient electric powertrain’.

Don’t expect it to be clogging up your social feeds parked in city centres just yet, however. As befits a Porsche with the ‘Mission’ tag in its name, this isn’t a production car. But it’s also customary for these kinds of concepts to have a strong grounding in reality - see how much Mission E made it into production Taycan. And look at just how, well, ready it looks. Or to put it another way, there will be an electric Porsche hypercar, and it’ll probably look a lot like this Rocket Metallic dream machine. And with that in mind, Porsche is making huge promises for the road-going reality. Which they've got a record of delivering on. 

Apparently the idea, ‘should we take out concept car into series production’, is to make a Porsche with roughly one horsepower per kilogram of kerbweight - so at least 1,000hp, if not more like 1,500 - twice the charging capacity of a Taycan Turbo S - something like 450kW - as well as significantly more downforce than a GT3 RS. Which makes 860kg at 177mph. All of which should help it achieve Porsche’s other aim for the Mission X: to create a new fastest production car around the Nordschleife, a record that currently sits with the AMG One and its 6:35.183. The days of modified GT2s in a tit-for-tat battle with every sillier AMG GTs is suddenly starting to seem like a very long time ago. The development aims of the Mission X sound truly ludicrous, but so once upon a time did the idea of mid-engined Porsche with Le Mans V10 in it, or a plug-in hybrid V8 one. So don’t be at all surprised when a Porsche with an ‘e-core layout’ for its batteries - keeping that mass low and centralised behind the seats - becomes a reality.

And even if it doesn’t, a car that looks like this is guaranteed to cause a stir. Porsche describes the design as ‘the pinnacle of performance and modern luxury’; it’s a similar size to its hypercar predecessors at 4.5m long and 2m wide (with 2.73m of that length for the wheelbase), but less than 1.2m tall. As is becoming Porsche concept tradition, the amalgamation of retro elements with modern design features is very, very neat: the rear light bar is recognisable from the Mission R and chunky wheels - 20-inch at the front, 21 behind - fill out the arches, but there’s also inspiration from the old 906 and 908 sportscars in the front lights as well as 917-style doors. Plundering heritage can be a good idea when confronting the future, especially so when it can be to look this tremendous.

There’s an old-school racer theme to the interior, too, with a Kalahari Grey carbon seat reserved just for the driver - with the passenger’s in Andalusia Brown, as is the rest of the cabin. There’s even a bracket for your companion to pretend they’re a co-driver, complete with a new Porsche Design timepiece - wouldn’t be a new Porsche without one - that offers analogue and digital displays for both race and rally use. Easy to poke fun at; even easier to admire. This interior looks ready to roll, complete with topless steering wheel, six-point harnesses integrated into the monocoque and even a host of cameras to record your new personal best at the touch of a button. And Porsche is still on the fence about building a few - there have been recent supercars sold in their thousands that look less cohesive than this. The Mission X has even been fitted with the new Porsche crest, as if ready to assume its position as the flagship immediately.

“The Porsche Mission X is a technology beacon for the sports car of the future. It picks up the torch of iconic sports cars of decades past: like the 959, the Carrera GT and the 918 Spyder before it, the Mission X provides critical impetus for the evolutionary development of future vehicle concepts,” said Oliver Blume, Chairman of Porsche’s exec board. “Daring to dream and dream cars are two sides of the same coin for us: Porsche has only remained Porsche by constantly changing.” So it feels like a dead-cert for reality, which would mean another milestone in the making - assuming Porsche can meet those lofty development goals and keep it looking this good. Best get thinking of a name…


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sidesauce

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2,967 posts

248 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Very sexy!!!

PorkerHam

193 posts

72 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Beautiful! If this is the future, bring it on....

(Apart from the interior, which is hideous in a concept car sort of way).

ph

AKjr

654 posts

41 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Bloody hell, that's a bit of alright isn't it?

ChrisCh86

1,132 posts

74 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Doesn't much look like a Porsche!

Should be pretty hi-tech given the Rimac connections.

thegreenhell

24,134 posts

249 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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PH said:
Apparently the idea, ‘should we take out concept car into series production’, is to make a Porsche with roughly one horsepower per kilogram of kerbweight - so at least 1,000hp, if not more like 1,500
Surely it's got to be at least 2000 hp if they want 1 hp/kg. No way they'll get an EV hypercar close to 1500kg with any usable range. Rimac Nevera is 1900 hp and 2300 kg, so at best it will be a small improvement on both of those figures.

LotusOmega375D

9,387 posts

183 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Could be another nail in the Lotus Evija sales coffin.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Looks amazing, but not very Porsche-like.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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That's lovely and I think it DOES have a Porsche vibe, reminiscent of the old 904 and the like

GTRene

22,599 posts

254 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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lovely in and out, ok a few little things, but I like this angle, does also remind me of a American supercar that did not make production, but they built at least one.

from this angle it reminded me of a Cadilac Cien US supercar, but looked up the picture its clearly different lol




anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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GTRene said:
lovely in and out, ok a few little things, but I like this angle, does also remind me of a American supercar that did not make production, but they built at least one.

from this angle it reminded me of a Cadilac Cien US supercar, but looked up the picture its clearly different lol



Cadillac much more angular, Porsche a more organic design?

GTRene

22,599 posts

254 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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biggbn said:
GTRene said:
lovely in and out, ok a few little things, but I like this angle, does also remind me of a American supercar that did not make production, but they built at least one.

from this angle it reminded me of a Cadilac Cien US supercar, but looked up the picture its clearly different lol



Cadillac much more angular, Porsche a more organic design?
yes, better, I do not know how I came to that Cadilac, maybe I thought of another car that looked more to the Porsche, I guess thats a Porsche as well :-) maybe after a night sleep I wake up tomorrow and pops in my mind (or not lol)

but great to see Porsche comes with another supercar, wonder what it can do on the Ring, I guess something good, otherwise they would not do it, also maybe they can use a few things of this concept for new models, also some petrol cars :-)

swisstoni

24,067 posts

309 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Looks great. And doesn’t appear to be massive either.

GTRene

22,599 posts

254 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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swisstoni said:
Looks great. And doesn’t appear to be massive either.
my thoughts as well, I love compact, ok normally for me 4.10mtr and this seems to me 4.5mtr thats basically a Porsche 911 or Cayman-ish

post said:
it’s a similar size to its hypercar predecessors at 4.5m long and 2m wide (with 2.73m of that length for the wheelbase), but less than 1.2m tall.

aston addict

474 posts

188 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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looks great and love the retro elements...

Isebac

251 posts

68 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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thegreenhell said:
Surely it's got to be at least 2000 hp if they want 1 hp/kg. No way they'll get an EV hypercar close to 1500kg with any usable range. Rimac Nevera is 1900 hp and 2300 kg, so at best it will be a small improvement on both of those figures.
Indeed, I wonder where the 1500hp/1500kg figure, that the media are using, is coming from. It's not in Porsche's release. Did they just overhear some nonsense behind the scenes and were quick to hype it up? That's not the most unlikely explanation in the world.

I also wonder about their other targets. More downforce than the GT3RS? I am not sure how given that the GT3RS is already limited by what the tires can take and that's a much lighter car than this will be to begin with. And even if they could develop a new tire with Michelin that would allow that, what is all that extra drag gonna do to the range of the thing, especially if they also use smaller battery to keep the weight down? And fastest around N-ring? Not likely at 2000kg or whatever the final weight might be.

The whole set of targets seems quite unrealistic with today's technology. With 2028's technology - maybe, but I am still not holding my breath.

LotusOmega375D said:
Could be another nail in the Lotus Evija sales coffin.
Not unless the Evija is delayed to at least 2027 - which is the absolute earliest this car is coming out in production form.

samoht

7,284 posts

176 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Looks really good.

If we're playing influences, it reminds me slightly of the Yamaha OX-99 in the front and rear wings and the rounded canopy.


Closer to home, I also see the Panamericana concept in the way the rear of the front wheelarches is done (I feel there's a more recent car like this too, but can't find it)


a very agreeable nineties organic influence, but brought up to date.


In terms of power and weight, the Nevera is 2300 kg but contains a 600kg battery giving a claimed 350 mile range. So if you want 1:1 ratio you could halve the battery size and accept a 175 mile range. Incremental improvements between 2022 and 2027 will probably help too.
If they can hit 1500kg that would be great, as many petrol-powered supercars are in that ballpark anyway.

gruppeb86

641 posts

43 months

Thursday 8th June 2023
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Porsche are undoubted innovators. Something that has been proven over and over. Design aside, I would add the codename Mission X is not very Porscheesque. I also wouldn't bet against Porsche achieving their intended objective. The question is; At what point does a Production car become too fast for the ring?, Death?

GTRene

22,599 posts

254 months

Friday 9th June 2023
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or Porsche 919 street




Lotusgav

169 posts

189 months

Friday 9th June 2023
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Lotus Evija is 2000hp/1700kg so I imagine 1:1 would very achievable. Doesn’t look Porsche to me but I doubt my opinion is relevant! Interesting styling exercise but I’ll still take my HyperCar with multi cylinders thanks. I’ll do my daily miles EV

big_rob_sydney

3,671 posts

224 months

Friday 9th June 2023
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Amprius have just released a battery that has 500 kw/kg. That's around double the current energy density of mass-produced EV's today.

If Porsche can use that, they can immediately cut the battery weight down by 1/2, from 600kg, to around 300kg, and shave 300kg off the weight as suggested above.

And in another youtube channel (The Electric Viking), it reports 711 wh/kg. I haven't seen that reported elsewhere, so would take that with a pinch of salt. But the 500 wh/kg has been reported in multiple sites, and I've seen Sandy Munro discuss it as well. All of which leads me to believe that the current rate of battery energy density will continue improving, and we'll see smaller and lighter batteries that provide the same range, OR, the same sized batteries but with double (or more) range.