GF wants loan - offered APRs higher than adverts
GF wants loan - offered APRs higher than adverts
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spud___

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2,975 posts

204 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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GF has an Audi A1 on HP at 181 a month for the next 4 years (1 year paid off). She is also paying off the last few hundred of her Invisalign. Never missed a payment on anything. Also has a small mortgage on a flat. Earns around 35k as a civil servant (though only in post since Dec 22).

The HP is on 12% APR and not sure about the Invisalign. But when I found out I went mad about the APR hehe - it was done well before meeting me. She's agreed that getting a personal loan to clear it all off at a lower % APR is a good idea to save her money in the long term and she can comfortably afford it on a month-to-month basis.

Lots of sites offering personal loans at 5.5% ish, but then when she goes through the system she is offered 10/11% APR. I know it's dependent on the individual and have been through this myself, but as someone who has little debt and a reasonable salary with no missed payments I did not expect it to be double the advertised rate.

Anyone got any advice? There's no point shifting from 12% to 11.something clearly. Could P2P lending be an answer? I want to get her paying like 7% max - it'll save her about 1500 quid over the term.

If it helps, I don't mind acting as a guarantor and I earn more than her.

Help appreciated!

Froomee

1,491 posts

193 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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Some credit cards offer a cash transfer at competitive rates. 0% for a year for 3% fee or 3.9-4.9% APR over 2 years, etc.

My partner is with Lloyds and she had these available until very recently.

paulrockliffe

16,412 posts

251 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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When can the mortgage be renewed? It's likely that the cheapest approach is to load it onto the mortgage if possible.

Sheepshanks

39,502 posts

143 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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spud___ said:
...as someone who has little debt and a reasonable salary!
Not sure if serious?

And doesn't sound like you've known her very long to be acting as guarantor.

C69

1,142 posts

36 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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Usually the representative APR has to be offered to at least 51% of applicants, I believe.

The only thing to do is shop around (Moneyfacts is good for this), preferably using sites that offer eligibility checkers that won't affect your GF's credit score.

She also needs to take into account any interest penalties if she settles her HP agreement early. Has she got a settlement figure yet?

PS: My advice would be to avoid putting yourself forward as a guarantor. I'm sure that your relationship is absolutely solid and it'll remain so for the duration of the new loan. But you never know...

spud___

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2,975 posts

204 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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C69 said:
Usually the representative APR has to be offered to at least 51% of applicants, I believe.

The only thing to do is shop around (Moneyfacts is good for this), preferably using sites that offer eligibility checkers that won't affect your GF's credit score.

She also needs to take into account any interest penalties if she settles her HP agreement early. Has she got a settlement figure yet?

PS: My advice would be to avoid putting yourself forward as a guarantor. I'm sure that your relationship is absolutely solid and it'll remain so for the duration of the new loan. But you never know...
Yeah, obviously I'd avoid it if I could, but if it meant a massively different rate then it'd at least be a consideration. Settlement is around 6.7k, but full term it's 8.5k. Will try Moneyfacts now smile

Sheepshanks said:
spud___ said:
...as someone who has little debt and a reasonable salary!
Not sure if serious?

And doesn't sound like you've known her very long to be acting as guarantor.
Both parts of this are just plain rude. I'm not quite sure which bit you're being so condescending about. but she has little debt, the salary of 35k is reasonable for the North, and your snobby judgement in the final line is just pathetic. See the post I've quoted just above yours for how to make the same point as you wanted to make but without coming across as a complete see-you-next-Tuesday.

paulrockliffe said:
When can the mortgage be renewed? It's likely that the cheapest approach is to load it onto the mortgage if possible.
Understand that, though I'd like to keep that the two separate for now

spud___

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2,975 posts

204 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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Froomee said:
Some credit cards offer a cash transfer at competitive rates. 0% for a year for 3% fee or 3.9-4.9% APR over 2 years, etc.

My partner is with Lloyds and she had these available until very recently.
Will see if that's an option! Hadn't thought of that one. Thanks

Nickbrapp

5,277 posts

154 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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spud___ said:
Froomee said:
Some credit cards offer a cash transfer at competitive rates. 0% for a year for 3% fee or 3.9-4.9% APR over 2 years, etc.

My partner is with Lloyds and she had these available until very recently.
Will see if that's an option! Hadn't thought of that one. Thanks
You’ll be lucky to get a credit card for a large amount like a car. Maybe the Invisalign, but if it’s a few £££ why bother and not just pay it off, my invisalign was 0%

Don’t know why you can never get the advertised rate, I applied for a Tesco loan, 3.4% last year and they wanted to give it to me at 15% wtf?

I have found a company called Novuna to be good in the past and gave me the advertised rate twice.

spud___

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2,975 posts

204 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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The current balance to pay is around 8.5k but the settlement figure is about 6.7. So I'm wanting to save as much of that 1800 as possible.

eliot

11,989 posts

278 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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maybe the interest rate is coming up high because of all the other loans outstanding - how would they know you are refinancing existing debt

spud___

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Thursday 29th June 2023
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eliot said:
maybe the interest rate is coming up high because of all the other loans outstanding - how would they know you are refinancing existing debt
It was declared as such on the application.

Sheepshanks

39,502 posts

143 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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spud___ said:
Both parts of this are just plain rude. I'm not quite sure which bit you're being so condescending about. but she has little debt, the salary of 35k is reasonable for the North, and your snobby judgement in the final line is just pathetic. See the post I've quoted just above yours for how to make the same point as you wanted to make but without coming across as a complete see-you-next-Tuesday.
It reads like a lot of debt vs salary. Mortgage plus two other loans. No student loan? Is she running the flat? She can't have much disposable income left from £35K gross. So her loan application is going to look pretty iffy. Has she made a few applications? That can mess things up. I'm sure everyone says they're going to settle the existing loans.

Sorry if you thought my final comment was rude, but, again, it reads that you've only known her for a few months. I said just the same as the other poster, just used fewer words.

Edited by Sheepshanks on Thursday 29th June 21:09

Mr Overheads

2,598 posts

200 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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MSE site has checkers to see which loans credit cards you are likely to get accepted for without having to actually apply and make a mark on your credit score. The more she applies for the worse her credit check result is going to be.

pti

1,835 posts

168 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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anonymous said:
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I've always received the published rate. It does seem inconsistent among my peers, though.

Simpo Two

91,616 posts

289 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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C69 said:
Usually the representative APR has to be offered to at least 51% of applicants, I believe.
The advertised rate must be genuine or the ASA wouldn't allow it. Perhaps they invented the 51% figure?

https://www.asa.org.uk/make-a-complaint.html

ridds

8,366 posts

268 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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Check if the Interest is front loaded or not.

If it is, then there is zero point moving it. She'll just be adding more interest to previous 12%.

ChocolateFrog

34,954 posts

197 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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You've known her less than a year (presumably) and you want to be a guarantor?

Good luck with that.

asfault

13,617 posts

203 months

Thursday 29th June 2023
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anonymous said:
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Not going to lie I've had it.

Sheepshanks

39,502 posts

143 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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ridds said:
Check if the Interest is front loaded or not.

If it is, then there is zero point moving it. She'll just be adding more interest to previous 12%.
Proper front loaded interest is the stuff of loan sharks. It’s been illegal for regulated agreements under the Consumer Credit Act for years.

Hopefully the OP has taken account of settlement periods - if replacing one loan with another it does mean there will be up to a couple of months worth of duplicated interest payments.

Phateuk

894 posts

161 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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spud___ said:
The current balance to pay is around 8.5k but the settlement figure is about 6.7. So I'm wanting to save as much of that 1800 as possible.
If you're applying for 6.7k this could be it - some lenders seem to only offer the best rate for 7.5k+

If so, you could apply for 7.5k then overpay the £800 straight away, pretty sure halifax/lloyds do this and also offer zero fee overpayments