are you really surprised?
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When i bought my griff me and my brother(who has ferrari racing workshop for classical racingcars) examined the griff and by they way they build it he said, i am glad that they do not build their own engines. I am not surprised that the speed 6 cars give so much trouble. I guess they use the same build quality with their engines as with the rest of their cars. Thing is with the engines it is more difficult to overcome the problems. The rest of the car gave us a lot of problems and weird solutions too but they can be solved. Better put in an other engine.
Well thats a really useful post!!
It could also be said that TVR have spent 50 years trying to make a car that doesn't leak (I hae had hardtops that do!) but that misses the point by a long way....
You have to take your hat off to TVR in developing their own engines in this day and age, how many other 'small' car companies do that, and even many of the larger ones get 'experts' in.
As the years have gone on TVR build quality has improved and still continues to do so. I'm sure in a few years time we'll look back on the Speed 6 troubles with a hint of nostaglia but be really glad that a British Company stuck their necks out and did something innovative.
All I can say is shame on you, enjoy your Griff, we loved ours (and it gave us very few problems)
davidy
It could also be said that TVR have spent 50 years trying to make a car that doesn't leak (I hae had hardtops that do!) but that misses the point by a long way....
You have to take your hat off to TVR in developing their own engines in this day and age, how many other 'small' car companies do that, and even many of the larger ones get 'experts' in.
As the years have gone on TVR build quality has improved and still continues to do so. I'm sure in a few years time we'll look back on the Speed 6 troubles with a hint of nostaglia but be really glad that a British Company stuck their necks out and did something innovative.
All I can say is shame on you, enjoy your Griff, we loved ours (and it gave us very few problems)
davidy
I'm really suprised, suprised that my s6 Tamora has a much better fit and finish to Chim, it goes much better than my Chim, miles faster than my Chim, handles a LOT better than my Chim, its never leaked, like my Chim, and its always started first time, unlike my Chim, oh yes, its lot more economical than my Chim, whilst still blitzing the old V8 car in virtually every department.
wintrading said:
When i bought my griff me and my brother(who has ferrari racing workshop for classical racingcars) examined the griff and by they way they build it he said, i am glad that they do not build their own engines. I am not surprised that the speed 6 cars give so much trouble. I guess they use the same build quality with their engines as with the rest of their cars. Thing is with the engines it is more difficult to overcome the problems. The rest of the car gave us a lot of problems and weird solutions too but they can be solved. Better put in an other engine.
Best you stay with your Rover V8 engine then that never produces the power that is claimed of the engine...
Nice post on this forum, from someone that has never owned a TVR Speed 6 engined car
Mr F
You are right i have never owned a car with the speed six engine. Are you really surprised? After so much trouble with the engine? And torque wins races amount of horsepower is for clients. My brother builds special engine for a Ferrari 250 GTO one with a short stroke and one with a longer stroke. Short stroke delivers more horsepower but that does not say that it is faster on a track. For some tracks they use the short stroke other tracks the long stroke. Horsepower does not tell it all. Same thing with let''s say difference between 2 and 4 stroke engines. A modern motocross engine let''s say the 250 four stroke has less horsepower then a 125 2 stroke engine. Still a 250 four stroke is the one to have , the faster bike although it deliver''s less horsepower then the 125 2 stroke machines.
wintrading said:
Stuff about TVR build quality
So what is your point? The S6 has some problems? Really?! We didn't know.
Or that TVR's are not as reliable as your average Lexus. Shock horror.
What should I buy instead? An F355 perhaps? Well let me think, compared to the Tuscan:
- Slower
- More expensive (a lot)
- Common
- More expensive to run (what price a rebuild on a F355?)
Park a Tuscan next to a bunch of 355's (or any 'rari) at Le Mans and see who gets the most attention too.
>> Edited by UpTheIron on Wednesday 31st August 21:04
wintrading said:
More stuff about BHP v Torque
And what is your point? Next you will be telling me that a Griff with it's quoted BHP and torque is a better/faster car than ANY S6 TVR.
I love the RV8 TVR's (I've owned two), but quite frankly the S6 cars are so much better, even with the likelihood of a £5k+ rebuild on an S6 once every couple of years.
I'm sure race spec 250 GTO's are nice too. Hope you enjoy yours.
davidy said:Well said, in future stick to the griff forum, if it was left to people like your brother we will still be flying the spitfire, or driving around in VERY old V8 rover powerded cars.
Well thats a really useful post!!
It could also be said that TVR have spent 50 years trying to make a car that doesn't leak (I hae had hardtops that do!) but that misses the point by a long way....
You have to take your hat off to TVR in developing their own engines in this day and age, how many other 'small' car companies do that, and even many of the larger ones get 'experts' in.
As the years have gone on TVR build quality has improved and still continues to do so. I'm sure in a few years time we'll look back on the Speed 6 troubles with a hint of nostaglia but be really glad that a British Company stuck their necks out and did something innovative.
All I can say is shame on you, enjoy your Griff, we loved ours (and it gave us very few problems)
davidy
tuscan s said:
Well said, in future stick to the griff forum, if it was left to people like your brother we will still be flying the spitfire, or driving around in VERY old V8 rover powerded cars.
Agreed, I can't find one single occasion where one of us S6 owners have 'gatecrashed' the Chim/Griff forums when there are posts of doom and gloom about their P&Js (indeed, if you check their forums, there seems to be a hell of a lot more posts about cstuff going kapput than over on the S6 based forums, seems open season for the rest though with a 'ha ha, told you so, should have stuck to the V8 like us' mentality. I don't understand, if you dont like it, dont buy one! It's quite simple really!
>> Edited by chris watton on Wednesday 31st August 23:17
What a fuss. I really did not mean to hurt anybodies feeling at all. I only asked an honest question. " Are you surprised". For my it was not a surprise but i love TVR's too. So does my brother in a certain way. Sometimes things fall off my car, and i am not surprised at all. I like my car. Driving a TVR, for me, means that sometimes things go wrong. I have no problems with it. And comparing a ferrari with a TVR has no use at all, i think. Just a different thing. TVR is more raw. Lighter car. But come noone can tell me that a TVR is a better car then a ferrari or porsche. I prefer my TVR too. In some way old ferrari's are bit the same as TVR's. Things go wrong too.
I think wintrading makes a valid point.
You can afford to mess up on the design of a petrol inlet, or the glue bonding of the interior, but not the valve design of a highly stressed engine - especially one that you use in your entire range!
I think the interior (and exterior) of all current TVR's are incredible and unique.
But please dont be so precious you guys, TVR is a brand that offers to fullfil dreams but in my view doesn't deliver. The Speed 6 is significantly flawed as has been backed up with all the discussion and statistics on this very site. Its a candle that burns very bright, admittedly, but for a desperately short time. For some thats acceptible, for others thats not. In my view, its not. And for that very reason, I'm not going to be a TVR customer unless the situation changes radically. I'm sure I'm not alone and TVR had better do something or they will go bust.
All I want is to buy a great British sports car that goes like stink, looks and sounds sensational, handles superbly, doesn't cost a lifetimes savings and almost never breaks down. Too much to ask, it seems!
Oh, and btw, j.t, taking the mickey out of someone's use of english and nationality is below the belt, facile and offensive - sorry, I don't see how that acceptible in this forum, or anywhere in fact.
>> Edited by Merefield on Thursday 1st September 00:48
You can afford to mess up on the design of a petrol inlet, or the glue bonding of the interior, but not the valve design of a highly stressed engine - especially one that you use in your entire range!
I think the interior (and exterior) of all current TVR's are incredible and unique.
But please dont be so precious you guys, TVR is a brand that offers to fullfil dreams but in my view doesn't deliver. The Speed 6 is significantly flawed as has been backed up with all the discussion and statistics on this very site. Its a candle that burns very bright, admittedly, but for a desperately short time. For some thats acceptible, for others thats not. In my view, its not. And for that very reason, I'm not going to be a TVR customer unless the situation changes radically. I'm sure I'm not alone and TVR had better do something or they will go bust.
All I want is to buy a great British sports car that goes like stink, looks and sounds sensational, handles superbly, doesn't cost a lifetimes savings and almost never breaks down. Too much to ask, it seems!
Oh, and btw, j.t, taking the mickey out of someone's use of english and nationality is below the belt, facile and offensive - sorry, I don't see how that acceptible in this forum, or anywhere in fact.
>> Edited by Merefield on Thursday 1st September 00:48
Merefield said:
I think wintrading makes a valid point.
You can afford to mess up on the design of a petrol inlet, or the glue bonding of the interior, but not the valve design of a highly stressed engine - especially one that you use in your entire range!
I think the interior (and exterior) of all current TVR's are incredible and unique.
But please dont be so precious you guys, TVR is a brand that offers to fullfil dreams but in my view doesn't deliver. The Speed 6 is significantly flawed as has been backed up with all the discussion and statistics on this very site. Its a candle that burns very bright, admittedly, but for a desperately short time. For some thats acceptible, for others thats not. In my view, its not. And for that very reason, I'm not going to be a TVR customer unless the situation changes radically. I'm sure I'm not alone and TVR had better do something or they will go bust.
All I want is to buy a great British sports car that goes like stink, looks and sounds sensational, handles superbly, doesn't cost a lifetimes savings and almost never breaks down. Too much to ask, it seems!
Oh, and btw, j.t, taking the mickey out of someone's use of english and nationality is below the belt, facile and offensive - sorry, I don't see how that acceptible in this forum, or anywhere in fact.
>> Edited by Merefield on Thursday 1st September 00:48
Well said, my view exactly. I think it sums up the current opinion on TVR very well.
The interior of the Tuscan is stunning, IMHO better than the 360 Modena et al. I realise that I am not paying for the 360 Modena therefore I do make some allowances. My Tuscan didnt have a metallic ding when you tapped it and it had niggles. Very few of the niggles however stopped my driving it, which was why I got it in the first place! In fact for my £70k saving I did not mind trimming the carpet by 5mm and re-superglueing to make it fit better, and I learnt 101 uses for a roll of sticky backed velcro including fixing the footwell carpet properly, the Heater ECU back up in the dash and of course stopping the rear screen squeaking.
It becomes a completely different subject when serious engine proplems which have happened arise. The situation has been magnified by TVR's level of support in 'fixing' the problem. The Bladerunner quote (the candle..) is very apt in this situation. The argument is is that this is a race engine and they dont last as long etc, but if what has been reported is true the real reason for failure is a poor design or a poorly tested one. When I bought my Tuscan I read the TVR literature that the Tuscan was designed as an everyday car which could be driven every day. It was only after I got into ownership that I discovered Pistonheads, and learnt of the problems.
People should be positive, but depending on your ownership circumstances, also concerned.
UpTheIron said:
Stuff about TVR build quality
So what is your point? The S6 has some problems? Really?! We didn't know.
Or that TVR's are not as reliable as your average Lexus. Shock horror.
What should I buy instead? An F355 perhaps? Well let me think, compared to the Tuscan:
- Slower
- More expensive (a lot)
- Common
- More expensive to run (what price a rebuild on a F355?)
Park a Tuscan next to a bunch of 355's (or any 'rari) at Le Mans and see who gets the most attention too.
>> Edited by UpTheIron on Wednesday 31st August 21:04
I friend and I shared ownership of a 355 and while my friend had it one weekend, it blew up! All of the servicing was upto date and all that was left was one of the badges, totally burnt out!
chris watton said:
Perhaps there ought to be a new forum, Anyone who has an axe to grind with S6, post here!
I heard that the SP6 caused the hole in the ozone layer and contributes to third world famine.
Anyone else?
Go on, it's cathartic....
>> Edited by justinp1 on Thursday 1st September 12:05
I know for a fact that my Speed 6 has a special mark hidden from view. Its 3 and 6....
i.e. 666 . ITS THE DEVILS ENGINE AND YOU ARE ALL DAMNED!!!
Oh...sorry-it says 3.6,my mistake
just adding to the litany of complete bollox thats talked about the speed 6
>> Edited by sideways mostly on Thursday 1st September 14:45
i.e. 666 . ITS THE DEVILS ENGINE AND YOU ARE ALL DAMNED!!!
Oh...sorry-it says 3.6,my mistake
just adding to the litany of complete bollox thats talked about the speed 6
>> Edited by sideways mostly on Thursday 1st September 14:45
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