"Why aren't you out catching real criminals?"
"Why aren't you out catching real criminals?"
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forever_driving

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1,869 posts

280 months

Tuesday 30th August 2005
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To our BiB

I'm sure you've have heard this line many a time when you've pulled a motorist. (or should that be 'pulled over' a motorist ;))

However, I'm just wondering if there have been any cases when you've caught a murder/peadophile/mugger and they've had the humour to say "Why aren't you out catching those motorist? They're the real criminals!"

IaHa

345 posts

263 months

Tuesday 30th August 2005
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Two days ago, got behind a car at midnight, driver of which had failed to pay for fuel. He failed to stop, and continued along a deserted dual carriageway and then M6 at a fairly sedate 80 to 100 mph, until he lost it on a damp motorway surface spinning then parking his car in the central reserve.

When arrested, he blamed his wife for the phone call which resulted in his loss of attention causing him to crash. He was cursing the fact that the petrol station was also the only place he could have purchased cigarettes (but couldn't because he had to nick the petrol). If he had been able to buy a pack of cigarettes he wouldn't have had to roll a cigarette which he was doing when his wife phoned resulting in his loss of control therefore the crash. He blamed us for trying to stop him, forcing him to make off hence the crash. He felt we should be locking up drink drivers, rather than picking on poor innocents such as him. He also felt that he would have got away from us, but for the crash.

We listened empathetically to him (NOT!), then ensured that the doctor was called to assess his mental state once in custody.

steff

1,421 posts

293 months

Tuesday 30th August 2005
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what a tw*t - hopefully he learnt his lesson!

john57

1,869 posts

258 months

Tuesday 30th August 2005
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And the sad thing is that thats presumably counted as a 'polacc' for the figures ......

streaky

19,311 posts

279 months

Tuesday 30th August 2005
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john57 said:
And the sad thing is that thats presumably counted as a 'polacc' for the figures ......
What has his nationality to do with the price of fish? - Streaky

forever_driving

Original Poster:

1,869 posts

280 months

Tuesday 30th August 2005
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Great story IaHa, funny how some people blame all others before blaming themselves.

paulhol

482 posts

271 months

Wednesday 31st August 2005
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IaHa said:
Two days ago, got behind a car at midnight, driver of which had failed to pay for fuel. He failed to stop, and continued along a deserted dual carriageway and then M6 at a fairly sedate 80 to 100 mph, until he lost it on a damp motorway surface spinning then parking his car in the central reserve.

When arrested, he blamed his wife for the phone call which resulted in his loss of attention causing him to crash. He was cursing the fact that the petrol station was also the only place he could have purchased cigarettes (but couldn't because he had to nick the petrol). If he had been able to buy a pack of cigarettes he wouldn't have had to roll a cigarette which he was doing when his wife phoned resulting in his loss of control therefore the crash. He blamed us for trying to stop him, forcing him to make off hence the crash. He felt we should be locking up drink drivers, rather than picking on poor innocents such as him. He also felt that he would have got away from us, but for the crash.

We listened empathetically to him (NOT!), then ensured that the doctor was called to assess his mental state once in custody.


i thought you were allowed 24 hours to return to the station and pay if you have to?

tvrgit

8,489 posts

282 months

Wednesday 31st August 2005
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paulhol said:
i thought you were allowed 24 hours to return to the station and pay if you have to?

Eh??? "Ok ta for the fuel, I'll come back tomorrow and settle up" - er no, don't think so...

ohopkins

708 posts

270 months

Wednesday 31st August 2005
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You can settle up in 7 days if you fill in a form at the Petrol station. Done it before when I forgot my wallet. But it was not my fault I forgot my wallet, if my missus had not blown me an hour earlier I would have remembered.

IaHa

345 posts

263 months

Wednesday 31st August 2005
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If the 'mens rea' exists then it is a crime. Driving off, followed by making off, then admitting that you stole the fuel, and having no money aint going to get you a credit note.

CB-Dave

1,002 posts

290 months

Wednesday 31st August 2005
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The garage beside mine (now out of business!) insisted on calling the police anytime anyone couldn't pay for their fuel.

I left my wallet at home once, and even offered to leave my watch (£300 worth), my radio faceplate (£500 worth of radio useless without it) and a handwritten, signed name and address statement - I live about 1mi away from the garage at most too!

Anyway, plod come - I'm left sitting in the back of the car feeling like a criminal (although I was chatting up the rather nice WPC at the same time!) until the other copper comes back over, he's not very chuffed at being called out after being shown what I was going to leave as collateral and said that if he could, he'd love to have nicked the attendant for wasting police time, and that all I'd need to do is bring the payment before 9am when the shift changes over...

A complete waste of time by the garage...

tonyhetherington

32,091 posts

280 months

Wednesday 31st August 2005
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In your case, Dave, you were genuine - but I wonder how many are not?

autismuk

1,529 posts

270 months

Wednesday 31st August 2005
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IaHa said:
If he had been able to buy a pack of cigarettes he wouldn't have had to roll a cigarette which he was doing when his wife phoned resulting in his loss of control therefore the crash. He blamed us for trying to stop him, forcing him to make off hence the crash. He felt we should be locking up drink drivers, rather than picking on poor innocents such as him. He also felt that he would have got away from us, but for the crash.

We listened empathetically to him (NOT!), then ensured that the doctor was called to assess his mental state once in custody.


Different thing, really. There are many people in the world who flatly refuse to accept responsibility for anything at all (encouraged by Blairism, I might add).

However, there are serious questions about Policing priorities. Our CC admitted to me on the record that targetism had a major influence on policing priorities, and I think this is becoming more and more prevalent.

This is, I hasten to add, not the fault of serving officers.

MilnerR

8,273 posts

288 months

Wednesday 31st August 2005
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Most people get stopped by traffic plod whose sole purpose is to police our roads, therefore if they weren't stopping motorists they wouldn't be out catching murderers anyway......

What annoys me is that the biggest criminal in the country has a police officer stood outside his front door all day!

forever_driving

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1,869 posts

280 months

Wednesday 31st August 2005
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MilnerR said:

What annoys me is that the biggest criminal in the country has a police officer stood outside his front door all day!


For some reason, I have pantomime images in my head...

a comical policeman, standing outside a black door, with all the population shouting "He's behind you"

jasandjules

72,611 posts

259 months

Wednesday 31st August 2005
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This country's a pantomime...

Oh no it isn't.

Oh Yes it is.......

>> Edited by jasandjules on Wednesday 31st August 15:55