Jury member and evidence
Author
Discussion

fourstardan

Original Poster:

6,477 posts

172 months

Friday 14th July 2023
quotequote all
Read about this in my local rag

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/23653447.po...

I'll be watching with interest. If he's able to access the protected data and shared without permission then he's one silly twonk!


Export56

576 posts

116 months

Friday 14th July 2023
quotequote all
I had no idea that you couldn't google information whilst on jury duty.

mac96

6,291 posts

171 months

Friday 14th July 2023
quotequote all
I knew you couldn't research the defendant's history but not that you couldn't look into more general stuff like DNA reliability.

Fairly sure as a juror you get a briefing on this though so cannot claim ignorance?

agtlaw

7,386 posts

234 months

Friday 14th July 2023
quotequote all
mac96 said:


Fairly sure as a juror you get a briefing on this though so cannot claim ignorance?
Correct.

coldel

10,921 posts

174 months

Friday 14th July 2023
quotequote all
Was on jury service in December and the instructions were very clear and repeated a number of times....

markjmd

563 posts

96 months

Friday 14th July 2023
quotequote all
So what are potential penalties for what this guy has been charged with?

LosingGrip

8,806 posts

187 months

Friday 14th July 2023
quotequote all
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/juror-miscon...

Max of two years in prison. Didn't realise either. I wonder how they would know if you've researched the defendant though? Assuming you don't do what he did and tell others...

Armitage.Shanks

3,059 posts

113 months

Friday 14th July 2023
quotequote all
coldel said:
Was on jury service in December and the instructions were very clear and repeated a number of times....
Agreed. Same warnings I got when I did jury service.

fourstardan

Original Poster:

6,477 posts

172 months

Friday 14th July 2023
quotequote all
No doubt this big gob decided to decide to be the judge and barrister himself and "work the room" to be the big I am.

I can actually see this based on how stupid and naive locals are down here in the South West.

When you say you can't research the defendant how on earth do you manage to NOT do that when you know there names.

Vvroom

1,170 posts

218 months

Friday 14th July 2023
quotequote all

Pica-Pica

16,482 posts

112 months

Friday 14th July 2023
quotequote all
EmailAddress said:
It must be extremely difficult to make judgement on someone when you feel you are not in possession of all the facts, information, knowledge, or understanding.

While taking the direction of the proceedings is going to be paramount. I find myself struggling to not immediately research further into the links above and I had no vested interest at all.

Jury duty is a heavy burden.
It is the responsibility of the prosecution and of the defence to make those representations, not some ‘knot-hole-through-the-fence’ look at social media.

martinbiz

3,688 posts

173 months

Friday 14th July 2023
quotequote all
EmailAddress said:
It must be extremely difficult to make judgement on someone when you feel you are not in possession of all the facts, information, knowledge, or understanding.

While taking the direction of the proceedings is going to be paramount. I find myself struggling to not immediately research further into the links above and I had no vested interest at all.

Jury duty is a heavy burden.
I'm not sure you understand how the system is supposed to work

Somewhatfoolish

5,057 posts

214 months

Friday 14th July 2023
quotequote all
EmailAddress said:
Jury duty is a heavy burden.
The jury I really feel sorry for at the moment is the Lucy Letby one. That case is a nightmare.

bearman68

4,929 posts

160 months

Friday 14th July 2023
quotequote all
I'm glad I clicked on the link. I am so determined to own a cask of whiskey at 8-12% return, AND I know how to burn belly fat. Oh yeah.

skwdenyer

18,707 posts

268 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
quotequote all
Pica-Pica said:
EmailAddress said:
It must be extremely difficult to make judgement on someone when you feel you are not in possession of all the facts, information, knowledge, or understanding.

While taking the direction of the proceedings is going to be paramount. I find myself struggling to not immediately research further into the links above and I had no vested interest at all.

Jury duty is a heavy burden.
It is the responsibility of the prosecution and of the defence to make those representations, not some ‘knot-hole-through-the-fence’ look at social media.
Are jurors not allowed to ask questions?

DickyC

58,122 posts

226 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
quotequote all
skwdenyer said:
Are jurors not allowed to ask questions?
I was on a jury where some jurors wanted questions answered during deliberations. The clerk went to the judge and we reassembled in court to hear the judge tell us we had all the information we needed. And out we went again.

You're not Perry Mason or Columbo. You are a lay person whose opinion is sought after hearing two sides of an argument. If you dick about with the process, you are in contempt of court.

carreauchompeur

18,315 posts

232 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
quotequote all
Interesting… i was obviously aware of PCOJ etc but not these specific offences.

Must be a fine line between ‘general knowledge’ and testing evidential concepts

Dynion Araf Uchaf

5,153 posts

251 months

Saturday 15th July 2023
quotequote all
skwdenyer said:
Are jurors not allowed to ask questions?
Yes jurors are allowed to ask questions during the trial. There is normally a time set aside after each witness to ask questions although they are to seek clarification of evidence discussed and not to guess the murder weapon

siremoon

246 posts

127 months

Sunday 16th July 2023
quotequote all
EmailAddress said:
It must be extremely difficult to make judgement on someone when you feel you are not in possession of all the facts, information, knowledge, or understanding.

While taking the direction of the proceedings is going to be paramount. I find myself struggling to not immediately research further into the links above and I had no vested interest at all.

Jury duty is a heavy burden.
You're not supposed to be in possession of all the facts, information, knowledge, or understanding. You're supposed to make a decision based on the evidence presented in court supplemented by any information, knowledge, or understanding provided by the judge.

I've done jury service a few times and they make it abundantly clear that you can't do your own research.

skwdenyer

18,707 posts

268 months

Sunday 16th July 2023
quotequote all
siremoon said:
EmailAddress said:
It must be extremely difficult to make judgement on someone when you feel you are not in possession of all the facts, information, knowledge, or understanding.

While taking the direction of the proceedings is going to be paramount. I find myself struggling to not immediately research further into the links above and I had no vested interest at all.

Jury duty is a heavy burden.
You're not supposed to be in possession of all the facts, information, knowledge, or understanding. You're supposed to make a decision based on the evidence presented in court supplemented by any information, knowledge, or understanding provided by the judge.

I've done jury service a few times and they make it abundantly clear that you can't do your own research.
Now should a juror deal with knowledge they already hold?