Crime - Irvin Welsh - ITV
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Armitage.Shanks

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2,920 posts

107 months

Thursday 20th July 2023
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Currently on ITV1. There’s no mistaking this is classic Welsh and the one liners are just brilliant. I’ve just managed to watch the whole series. Outstanding.

OK the ‘plot’ is a bit thin and I’m not sure about the French connection but it’s more about the main character DI Lennox and his car crash career and lifestyle.

“Your career is hanging by a ball bag hair” biglaugh

biggbn

29,679 posts

242 months

Thursday 20th July 2023
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Mentioned it elsewhere, I thought it was great. Very reminiscent of Lumet's 'The Offence' by the end, I wondered if this had been intentional or coincidental. Well worth a watch.

nebpor

3,753 posts

257 months

Thursday 20th July 2023
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I absolutely loved it and hope Welsh and team do more like this

shirt

24,961 posts

223 months

Thursday 20th July 2023
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is it available to stream? and is it better than the disappointing filth?

love irvine welsh and this character in particular. i have a good mate who is a weegie named ray who speaks and acts exactly like lennox.

cuprabob

17,841 posts

236 months

Thursday 20th July 2023
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shirt said:
is it available to stream?
It's available on ITVx / STV Player.

Here's the previous thread I created about it.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Edited by cuprabob on Thursday 20th July 11:00

shirt

24,961 posts

223 months

Thursday 20th July 2023
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cheers. i'll check it out thumbup

biggbn

29,679 posts

242 months

Thursday 20th July 2023
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shirt said:
is it available to stream? and is it better than the disappointing filth?

love irvine welsh and this character in particular. i have a good mate who is a weegie named ray who speaks and acts exactly like lennox.
I tried to watch Filth but found it really poor, but then, I never liked the original Trainspotting either. Welsh's works are set in Edinburgh so I can't comment on Lennox accent in the film, but the actor playing him was English as far as I can recall, so must be good at accents if he comes across like a Glaswegian!! Lennox in Crime is Dougray Scott and his Edinburgh accent is absolutely brilliant, but then he's a Fifer and there is a definite crossover.

shirt

24,961 posts

223 months

Thursday 20th July 2023
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yeah i realise its edinburgh. i have a mate from leith as well, just that my friend ray just personifies ray lennox so well it's him i think of as i read.

dougray scott seems a better fit than jamie lennox at any rate, he was poor.

welsh's novels have so much potential for tv, would love to see anything with juice terry in it. spice ay life!


biggbn

29,679 posts

242 months

Thursday 20th July 2023
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shirt said:
yeah i realise its edinburgh. i have a mate from leith as well, just that my friend ray just personifies ray lennox so well it's him i think of as i read.

dougray scott seems a better fit than jamie lennox at any rate, he was poor.

welsh's novels have so much potential for tv, would love to see anything with juice terry in it. spice ay life!
beer

Davie_GLA

6,829 posts

221 months

Friday 28th July 2023
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I loved this. I couldn’t take my eyes off it. The crime was there for the plot and it too me a hole to click who played the confectioner but he played that amazing.

The real entertainment was in Lennox and his layers quickly peeling away to reveal demons with unspeakable power over him.

I’m going to watch it again.

shih tzu faced

2,597 posts

71 months

Friday 18th August 2023
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Surprised at all the love for this. Two episodes in so far and I feel ready to bail but based on your collective rave reviews I’ll soldier on.

Just seems like a total cliche ridden box-ticking fest to me so far, and sadly this totally undermines what looks to be a decent story trying to get out.

The grizzled white middle aged perma-angry detective struggling with his alcohol demons and obsessive personality. Then gets partnered up with an attractive & professional young female who quickly puts him in his place about the crumbling patriarchy among other things. All his male colleagues are sexist, boorish gobsh!tes and his boss looks one sausage roll away from a cardiac arrest. Then there’s his black lady friend, successful high flying career woman, just been promoted, her new female colleague complains that men can’t cope with strong powerful women blah blah. By the end of eps 2 (where we’re up to) it looks very much like a sleazy male colleague is going to try it on with her. Etc etc etc…

Set around rough parts of Edinburgh and featuring various vest clad nonces getting beaten up in their luxurious abodes, and with a storyline about a paedo serial killer it was never going to be one to lift the spirits. But if maybe one of the lead characters were even vaguely likeable it would help.

Doesn’t help either that we’re watching this straight off the back of The Sixth Commandment, a genuinely superb tv drama. Ok not directly comparable being based on true events, however the focus there was on the actual story rather than heavy handed box-ticking bingo but even so, night and day for me.

They seem to have used IW’s name as part of the title to give it some added credibility but so far, for me, it ain’t working.

Hopefully will get better though. I’ll give it a fair go!



shirt

24,961 posts

223 months

Friday 18th August 2023
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I think you’ll continue to be disappointed. Irvine Welsh has been writing this way since the 90s. If you loved him then you will still do so now. If new to it I can see how it could be seen as hackneyed pish

Zippee

13,908 posts

256 months

Friday 18th August 2023
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shirt said:
yeah i realise its edinburgh. i have a mate from leith as well, just that my friend ray just personifies ray lennox so well it's him i think of as i read.

dougray scott seems a better fit than jamie lennox at any rate, he was poor.

welsh's novels have so much potential for tv, would love to see anything with juice terry in it. spice ay life!
I would so love Glue to be made into a film

shih tzu faced

2,597 posts

71 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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shirt said:
I think you’ll continue to be disappointed. Irvine Welsh has been writing this way since the 90s. If you loved him then you will still do so now. If new to it I can see how it could be seen as hackneyed pish
Cheers, I do want to like it and will soldier on. I just expected something a bit more original but like I said there does appear to be a good story in there somewhere. Hopefully it will end up being one of those where you have to watch them all and only then does it all fall into place.

biggbn

29,679 posts

242 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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shih tzu faced said:
shirt said:
I think you’ll continue to be disappointed. Irvine Welsh has been writing this way since the 90s. If you loved him then you will still do so now. If new to it I can see how it could be seen as hackneyed pish
Cheers, I do want to like it and will soldier on. I just expected something a bit more original but like I said there does appear to be a good story in there somewhere. Hopefully it will end up being one of those where you have to watch them all and only then does it all fall into place.
I think the 'connection' between the cop and the criminal made it interesting. I mentioned this earlier but Sidney Lumet made a film starring Sean Connery and Ian Bannon called 'The Offence' with a similar premise and it was grotesquely compelling

nebpor

3,753 posts

257 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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None of Welsh's stuff is particularly original, it's his world building that for me is fantastic - the characters are hateful. Everything is sleasy. That's what I love about him. My wife couldn't watch crime.

Mabozza

703 posts

209 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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really enjoyed it. dialogue was good eg "stop! ya wee fanny!" during a chase

shih tzu faced

2,597 posts

71 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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nebpor said:
None of Welsh's stuff is particularly original, it's his world building that for me is fantastic - the characters are hateful. Everything is sleasy. That's what I love about him. My wife couldn't watch crime.
Yeah I get where you’re coming from, it’s a good point.

Sebring440

3,035 posts

118 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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Armitage.Shanks said:
“Your career is hanging by a ball bag hair” biglaugh
There's no "L" in ba' bag.



cuprabob

17,841 posts

236 months

Saturday 19th August 2023
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Sebring440 said:
Armitage.Shanks said:
“Your career is hanging by a ball bag hair” biglaugh
There's no "L" in ba' bag.
Indeed, around these parts it's "Baw Bag"