Son keeps stealing from his mum.
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I'm not interested in the what to dos but just need to understand how he's doing it.
He sets up a PayPal account using her details and transfers money to himself. She then finds out, cancels account, changes codes then a few weeks later he does it again.
But how is it possible?
She claims to change passwords etc but then he always succeeds.
I have no idea about PayPal.
I'm confused. She's a full blown Alcoholic so I wonder if she's spark out and he gets hold of her bank cards, but he still needs the passwords.
I don't live with them, and I'm currently abroad but if I manage to get hold of him, he swears blind that he didn't do it.
Some of you know the miserable mess of my family life, this is just more of the cherries on the cake
He sets up a PayPal account using her details and transfers money to himself. She then finds out, cancels account, changes codes then a few weeks later he does it again.
But how is it possible?
She claims to change passwords etc but then he always succeeds.
I have no idea about PayPal.
I'm confused. She's a full blown Alcoholic so I wonder if she's spark out and he gets hold of her bank cards, but he still needs the passwords.
I don't live with them, and I'm currently abroad but if I manage to get hold of him, he swears blind that he didn't do it.
Some of you know the miserable mess of my family life, this is just more of the cherries on the cake
croyde said:
I'm not interested in the what to dos but just need to understand how he's doing it.
He sets up a PayPal account using her details and transfers money to himself. She then finds out, cancels account, changes codes then a few weeks later he does it again.
But how is it possible?
She claims to change passwords etc but then he always succeeds.
I have no idea about PayPal.
I'm confused. She's a full blown Alcoholic so I wonder if she's spark out and he gets hold of her bank cards, but he still needs the passwords.
I don't live with them, and I'm currently abroad but if I manage to get hold of him, he swears blind that he didn't do it.
Some of you know the miserable mess of my family life, this is just more of the cherries on the cake
She needs to improve the security on her mobile and or laptop. Suspect is not protected or he knows it.He sets up a PayPal account using her details and transfers money to himself. She then finds out, cancels account, changes codes then a few weeks later he does it again.
But how is it possible?
She claims to change passwords etc but then he always succeeds.
I have no idea about PayPal.
I'm confused. She's a full blown Alcoholic so I wonder if she's spark out and he gets hold of her bank cards, but he still needs the passwords.
I don't live with them, and I'm currently abroad but if I manage to get hold of him, he swears blind that he didn't do it.
Some of you know the miserable mess of my family life, this is just more of the cherries on the cake
Plus he clearly knows her bank account and / or card details. Plus has access to her email.
She could speak to the bank or paypal and explain its fraud.
Personally id tell the child you will report it as theft, start of a slippery slope.
Possible to set up his face etc as if it’s hers, if he had access to her phone
For stuff like this a bit of old school policing would nip it in the bud, but sadly long gone
Pay some scary looking blokes to turn up pretending to be debt collectors, not happy because there are outstanding bills?
For stuff like this a bit of old school policing would nip it in the bud, but sadly long gone
Pay some scary looking blokes to turn up pretending to be debt collectors, not happy because there are outstanding bills?
Edited by Spare tyre on Thursday 27th July 18:03
Spare tyre said:
Possible to set up his face etc as if it’s hers, if he had access to her phone
For stuff like this a bit of old school policing would nip it in the bud, but sadly long gone
Pay some scary looking blokes to turn up pretending to be debt collectors, not happy because there are outstanding bills?
Wearing VBRJ T-shirts?For stuff like this a bit of old school policing would nip it in the bud, but sadly long gone
Pay some scary looking blokes to turn up pretending to be debt collectors, not happy because there are outstanding bills?
Edited by Spare tyre on Thursday 27th July 18:03
It's possible that the browser she is using to set up the password change is remembering the password, and the master password to view all passwords in the browser isn't changing. I'd suggest changing the PayPal password, then changing the master password in the browser. Or alternatively download another browser and change the password using that browser.
My guess is that he gets her bank cards and then simply setups a PayPal account in her name using her bank cards.
Once the account is activated he simply sends money from his "mum's" PayPal account to his own.
He will may need access to his Mum's phone to complete / authorise the first payment.
Once the account is activated he simply sends money from his "mum's" PayPal account to his own.
He will may need access to his Mum's phone to complete / authorise the first payment.
Get 2FA on her PayPal account and on the email account it's linked to.
Check whether he knows the PIN to the phone the 2FA code goes to and check whether a text is shown when the phone is locked.
Check whether he knows the PIN/face/touch/unlock code to the phone.
Check everything basically.
Check whether he knows the PIN to the phone the 2FA code goes to and check whether a text is shown when the phone is locked.
Check whether he knows the PIN/face/touch/unlock code to the phone.
Check everything basically.
rustyuk said:
My guess is that he gets her bank cards and then simply setups a PayPal account in her name using her bank cards.
Once the account is activated he simply sends money from his "mum's" PayPal account to his own.
He will may need access to his Mum's phone to complete / authorise the first payment.
Jeez! can it really be that easy Once the account is activated he simply sends money from his "mum's" PayPal account to his own.
He will may need access to his Mum's phone to complete / authorise the first payment.
CrunkleFloop said:
Spare tyre said:
Possible to set up his face etc as if it’s hers, if he had access to her phone
For stuff like this a bit of old school policing would nip it in the bud, but sadly long gone
Pay some scary looking blokes to turn up pretending to be debt collectors, not happy because there are outstanding bills?
Wearing VBRJ T-shirts?For stuff like this a bit of old school policing would nip it in the bud, but sadly long gone
Pay some scary looking blokes to turn up pretending to be debt collectors, not happy because there are outstanding bills?
Edited by Spare tyre on Thursday 27th July 18:03
An acquaintance of mine has recently suffered something similar (bunny-boiler case)
You're going to have to treat this as a full-on identity theft. It's a complete and utter pain in the arse and takes *ages*.
Cancel everything, cards, associated ApplePay or similar, the whole lot.
Change all passwords and disable any form of "auto store" on all devices. Don't allow the device to suggest passwords in future - a brute-force app will deal with these in days, if not hours. xkcd has some useful password advice
I don't know how tech-savvy the perp is of course, but best not take chances.
Delete PayPal accounts and suchlike; set the new ones up with a new email address.
Delete stored faces that allow access to any devices. Redo them making sure sure to enable "Require attention" (iPhone here, there must be something similar on Android). Change any numerical codes to six-figures.
As mentioned by others above, two-factor authentication is vitally important. For best security, use a device that's not located at the same address for verification purposes - this might require that a personal call is made to the owner of the "approval device".
If you know your way around the advanced settings in the router then you can restrict the sites his devices can access over your network (MAC number restrictions). It's not bulletproof, but every little helps.
Whoever pays for his mobile data should get that limited (or even dropped completely) as soon as possible.
It's very difficult to stop this kind of thing, but not impossible; the main point is to make it as difficult and annoying as possible.
Hope this helps.
You're going to have to treat this as a full-on identity theft. It's a complete and utter pain in the arse and takes *ages*.
Cancel everything, cards, associated ApplePay or similar, the whole lot.
Change all passwords and disable any form of "auto store" on all devices. Don't allow the device to suggest passwords in future - a brute-force app will deal with these in days, if not hours. xkcd has some useful password advice
I don't know how tech-savvy the perp is of course, but best not take chances. Delete PayPal accounts and suchlike; set the new ones up with a new email address.
Delete stored faces that allow access to any devices. Redo them making sure sure to enable "Require attention" (iPhone here, there must be something similar on Android). Change any numerical codes to six-figures.
As mentioned by others above, two-factor authentication is vitally important. For best security, use a device that's not located at the same address for verification purposes - this might require that a personal call is made to the owner of the "approval device".
If you know your way around the advanced settings in the router then you can restrict the sites his devices can access over your network (MAC number restrictions). It's not bulletproof, but every little helps.
Whoever pays for his mobile data should get that limited (or even dropped completely) as soon as possible.
It's very difficult to stop this kind of thing, but not impossible; the main point is to make it as difficult and annoying as possible.
Hope this helps.
Edited by BrownEaredDog on Friday 28th July 16:59
Tell your son to stop being a 
.
Tell his mum to act on the advice from posters above. It's up to her isn't it?
Stop paying her money - aren't the boys old enough to be independent?
Break all contact, cut the cancer out of your life and live happily.
Yeah, my last point is harsh but do any positives outweigh the st they give you? I guess only a parent would understand.
Edit: stealing from anyone, especially your family is bloody low. If he thinks this is acceptable he needs an attitude adjustment.
. Tell his mum to act on the advice from posters above. It's up to her isn't it?
Stop paying her money - aren't the boys old enough to be independent?
Break all contact, cut the cancer out of your life and live happily.
Yeah, my last point is harsh but do any positives outweigh the s
t they give you? I guess only a parent would understand.Edit: stealing from anyone, especially your family is bloody low. If he thinks this is acceptable he needs an attitude adjustment.
As to your last point, I totally agree but she lives in the house that needs to be sold so I can get some money.
Although I'm getting close to the point that even £300k is not worth the grief I have to put up with.
I knew another work colleague who walked away from a house worth a lot as he just had to cut it all out of his life or go insane
Although I'm getting close to the point that even £300k is not worth the grief I have to put up with.
I knew another work colleague who walked away from a house worth a lot as he just had to cut it all out of his life or go insane
croyde said:
I knew another work colleague who walked away from a house worth a lot as he just had to cut it all out of his life or go insane
Been there, done that. The most liberating, uplifting thing I've ever doneAt the end of the day, it's only money - you've earned it once; you can earn it again
TL:DR
"Son keeps stealing from his mum" is the title of the thread.
Does that mean he is your son?
His Mum is your wife? Ex-wife? Partner? Ex-partner? Someone of your acquaintance is stealing from his mother.
Call the police. Throw him out of the house. Move out yourself, if you live there.
Which bit don't I understand?
"Son keeps stealing from his mum" is the title of the thread.
Does that mean he is your son?
His Mum is your wife? Ex-wife? Partner? Ex-partner? Someone of your acquaintance is stealing from his mother.
Call the police. Throw him out of the house. Move out yourself, if you live there.
Which bit don't I understand?
Has he changed the phone number linked to the account to his, so he receives log in codes?
Is he sending her invoices from his paypal account to hers, then getting her to pay them while she's stfaced?
Rhetorical question, but what's stopping you from saying enough's enough and walking away from all of this? It's never ending.
Maybe you should just cut them free and be done with it all.
If you do, don't forget to get him arrested first.
Is he sending her invoices from his paypal account to hers, then getting her to pay them while she's s
tfaced?Rhetorical question, but what's stopping you from saying enough's enough and walking away from all of this? It's never ending.
Maybe you should just cut them free and be done with it all.
If you do, don't forget to get him arrested first.
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