Accused of dog "theft"
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Tannedbaldhead

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3,172 posts

160 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Someone I know owns a dog and works from home.
His next door neighbour owns a dog and works,,,, well,,,, at his work.
When neighbour goes to work he leaves his dog in his back garden.
While out there it barks.
It's not aggressive or particularly territorial, gets on well with people and other dogs.
Once the neighbour is away the person I know let's the dog into his kitchen where it sleeps all day with his own dog.
There it doesn't bark.
The neighbour isn't aware of this.
If person I know asks for permission the neighbour is the sort of person who is more likely to say no than yes.
He puts the neighbour's dog back in its own garden before he returns from work.
Any problems with this from a legal perspective?

Ham_and_Jam

3,605 posts

125 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Who cares.

Rh14n

1,102 posts

136 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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None that I can see. He doesn't take the dog dishonestly, with the intention to permanently deprive the owner of it and so, no theft takes place.

Sebring440

3,186 posts

124 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Tannedbaldhead said:
Someone I know owns a dog and works from home.
His next door neighbour owns a dog and works,,,, well,,,, at his work.
When neighbour goes to work he leaves his dog in his back garden.
While out there it barks.
It's not aggressive or particularly territorial, gets on well with people and other dogs.
Once the neighbour is away the person I know let's the dog into his kitchen where it sleeps all day with his own dog.
There it doesn't bark.
The neighbour isn't aware of this.
If person I know asks for permission the neighbour is the sort of person who is more likely to say no than yes.
He puts the neighbour's dog back in its own garden before he returns from work.
Any problems with this from a legal perspective?
Are you very bored tonight? What's this got to do with you? And why have you been "accused with dog theft"? And as mentioned above, who cares?

Rough101

3,046 posts

103 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Just be careful if Prizam lives on the same street.

MDMA .

10,634 posts

129 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Ham_and_Jam said:
Who cares.
The OP, obvs.

Jordie Barretts sock

6,018 posts

47 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Ham_and_Jam said:
Who cares.
Oddly enough, I do.

I don't know anyone involved, but I do know that dogs are pack animals and don't like being on their own. The dog is barking to attract other dogs and alleviate it's stress at being on it's own.
I'd say the neighbour is doing the honourable thing and the dog is content being in his kitchen. I would suggest he makes the neighbour aware of what he's doing and why. I'm sure the bloke who goes away to work would be happy in the knowledge his dog is happy during the day.

Ham_and_Jam

3,605 posts

125 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Jordie Barretts sock said:
Oddly enough, I do.
My reply ‘who cares’ was in relation to the question ‘is there an issue from a legal perspective’

I say let him crack on with his dog sitting service. Why even question or interfere.

Digger

16,760 posts

219 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Tannedbaldhead said:
Someone I know owns a dog and works from home.
His next door neighbour owns a dog and works,,,, well,,,, at his work.
When neighbour goes to work he leaves his dog in his back garden.
While out there it barks.
It's not aggressive or particularly territorial, gets on well with people and other dogs.
Once the neighbour is away the person I know let's the dog into his kitchen where it sleeps all day with his own dog.
There it doesn't bark.
The neighbour isn't aware of this.
If person I know asks for permission the neighbour is the sort of person who is more likely to say no than yes.
He puts the neighbour's dog back in its own garden before he returns from work.
Any problems with this from a legal perspective?
Always a good start . . .

hidetheelephants

35,512 posts

221 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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Jordie Barretts sock said:
Ham_and_Jam said:
Who cares.
Oddly enough, I do.

I don't know anyone involved, but I do know that dogs are pack animals and don't like being on their own. The dog is barking to attract other dogs and alleviate it's stress at being on it's own.
I'd say the neighbour is doing the honourable thing and the dog is content being in his kitchen. I would suggest he makes the neighbour aware of what he's doing and why. I'm sure the bloke who goes away to work would be happy in the knowledge his dog is happy during the day.
In an ideal world maybe, it seems pretty uncaring to buy a dog and then leave it on its own for 8 hours a day; people prepared to do that to a social animal may be unhappy about the neighbour being a better guardian of his pet than he is.

Tye Green

988 posts

137 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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maybe he leaves the dog outside as a burglar deterrent

DaveE87

1,149 posts

163 months

Wednesday 16th August 2023
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How you approach this will likely determine the outcome.

Tell the neighbour their dog has been barking a lot so you've been letting them socialise with your dog in the garden. Emphasise that it helps their dog settle and stops the barking. Mention that you're happy your dog has a buddy and that you're happy when it's about too. Ask if they want the dog looking after occasionally for free. Neighbour would need to be a right miserable sod to say no.

Their dog is probably tearing stuff up indoors out of boredom. They're probably at the end of their tether / not a suitable dog owner and will be happy to let it continue. There is a chance they might want to get rid of the dog and ask if you want to take custody. It seems to me that this would actually be the best outcome.

Sebring440

3,186 posts

124 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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Digger said:
Always a good start . . .
No prizes for coming second...

ferret50

2,834 posts

37 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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Suggest that your 'friend' bills his nieghbour for dog sitting.

dave123456

3,853 posts

175 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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Depending on the breed I’d say if he’s that easy to release from the garden he will likely be thieved at some point anyway.

Grumps.

19,434 posts

64 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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Jordie Barretts sock said:
Ham_and_Jam said:
Who cares.
Oddly enough, I do.

I don't know anyone involved, but I do know that dogs are pack animals and don't like being on their own. The dog is barking to attract other dogs and alleviate it's stress at being on it's own.
I'd say the neighbour is doing the honourable thing and the dog is content being in his kitchen. I would suggest he makes the neighbour aware of what he's doing and why. I'm sure the bloke who goes away to work would be happy in the knowledge his dog is happy during the day.
The OP isn't concerned about animal welfare, more the legalities of something.

Curtain twitching, if you will.

MickC

1,095 posts

286 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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How is he getting the dog from the owners garden into his own/kitchen? Presumably the owners garden is fenced in otherwise he dog would escape.

If the dog was just wandering over and into his kitchen then that's one thing, but to go into the owners garden/pick the dog up and over the fence or whatever, to me that's something the owner might get annoyed about.

soad

34,594 posts

204 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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Take it there’s no CCTV?

Crudeoink

1,350 posts

87 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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I'd just tell the neighbour one day after work that their dog wsa barking like a maniac and somehow managed to make it into your garden. They weren't around to hand the dog back to, but the dog seemed really relaxed and happy around your dog so you're happy to take it in more often if it means its not barking and is more relaxed. See how they respond. You're not opening with a question, you're telling them their dog is happier not being on its own. I find telling someone something, then leaving the question to last, makes them consider what you've said before shutting any considerations down with a 'no' right at the beginning of the conversation.

Tannedbaldhead

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3,172 posts

160 months

Thursday 17th August 2023
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MickC said:
How is he getting the dog from the owners garden into his own/kitchen? Presumably the owners garden is fenced in otherwise he dog would escape.

If the dog was just wandering over and into his kitchen then that's one thing, but to go into the owners garden/pick the dog up and over the fence or whatever, to me that's something the owner might get annoyed about.
It's a row of terraced houses with a path that runs through the back gardens with gated fences between each property.
U just open the gate and the dog's in your garden.