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Online there is a huge swathe of footage these days of fighting from traditional boxing to MMA to street thugs and football hooligans. Not just males either but many females which i find disturbing.
I'm nearly 50 and have never been involved in a fight and I really don't get it why people do.
Are there any fighters on here, competitive or street who can explain why? I am not knocking I am genuinely inquisitive as to what the rationale is because clearly it must hurt for one thing.
I'm nearly 50 and have never been involved in a fight and I really don't get it why people do.
Are there any fighters on here, competitive or street who can explain why? I am not knocking I am genuinely inquisitive as to what the rationale is because clearly it must hurt for one thing.
I got into a few fights when i was younger - being one of the few Asian in a predominantly white school it was unavoidable. I also had younger siblings in the same school so if i didn't fight back they would have ended up getting a kicking as well.
i didn't go looking for fights but I have quite a stubborn streak - when I got racist abuse i would normally give it back, which normally resulted in a fight. Anyway in terms of winning/losing I probably lost more than i won but the big benefit was that, once people knew you'd fight back, they were a lot more reluctant to start something.
i didn't go looking for fights but I have quite a stubborn streak - when I got racist abuse i would normally give it back, which normally resulted in a fight. Anyway in terms of winning/losing I probably lost more than i won but the big benefit was that, once people knew you'd fight back, they were a lot more reluctant to start something.
Always shied away from fighting as a kid and as a result got picked on a bit.
(Not bullied, that’s too strong a word, but definitely was lower down the pecking order than if I had stood my ground).
Over 16 started going out a lot and quickly realised that there were genuinely nasty people to avoid at all costs and some ‘swagger merchants’ who just wanted to look tough.
First last & only real fight I ever had was when one of these individuals tried to make me back down a corridor in a night club when he could have just stepped to one side. I was too tired, too drunk and too bored to put up with it and asked him politely to F right Off.
He tried to head butt me & I punched him.
A bit of a scuffle and we both got kicked out.
Never had any trouble after that.
A mate of mine reckons I carried myself differently since, and I guess that makes sense.
Anyway, cool story bro etc.
Not proud of it, very lucky I didn’t pick a psycho to stand my ground to, nearly 30 years ago.
Street fightings for morons.
(Not bullied, that’s too strong a word, but definitely was lower down the pecking order than if I had stood my ground).
Over 16 started going out a lot and quickly realised that there were genuinely nasty people to avoid at all costs and some ‘swagger merchants’ who just wanted to look tough.
First last & only real fight I ever had was when one of these individuals tried to make me back down a corridor in a night club when he could have just stepped to one side. I was too tired, too drunk and too bored to put up with it and asked him politely to F right Off.
He tried to head butt me & I punched him.
A bit of a scuffle and we both got kicked out.
Never had any trouble after that.
A mate of mine reckons I carried myself differently since, and I guess that makes sense.
Anyway, cool story bro etc.
Not proud of it, very lucky I didn’t pick a psycho to stand my ground to, nearly 30 years ago.
Street fightings for morons.
Tom8 said:
Online there is a huge swathe of footage these days of fighting from traditional boxing to MMA to street thugs and football hooligans. Not just males either but many females which i find disturbing.
I'm nearly 50 and have never been involved in a fight and I really don't get it why people do.
Are there any fighters on here, competitive or street who can explain why? I am not knocking I am genuinely inquisitive as to what the rationale is because clearly it must hurt for one thing.
Same here. Never been in a fight nor do I want to. I'm nearly 50 and have never been involved in a fight and I really don't get it why people do.
Are there any fighters on here, competitive or street who can explain why? I am not knocking I am genuinely inquisitive as to what the rationale is because clearly it must hurt for one thing.
I would stand up for friends and family etc so have come close a couple of times when things have unexpectedly gone south.
EmailAddress said:
True fighting as a sport is as tactical as any other sporting endeavour.
It's not just t
tting each other about until one competitor breaks. It's about stamina, mental resolve, adaptability, technique, training, coaching, skill, experience.
Once you begin to see past the initial tang of iron scent and feral violence the bigger picture is much larger than the initial perception.
Perhaps a good analogy would be a casual observer stating that racing cars just 'go round and around' yet we know that to even get that car from idea to creation, to track, to race is not only inspiration, logistics, design, discipline, planning, tactics, development... onto the day where all the variables and various inputs become tantamount and are then played out in a live arena.
Now swap that over to a fighter who has built their body in a certain way, and learnt how to overcome opponents, and subdue them within a constrained rule set. But where boxing is effectively multiple CTEs of which the longterm outcome can often be neurological issues. We've swapped to lighter gloves.
Yes, this provided a raw, and more bloodlust appearance when presented without context but due to this fighters are more wary of getting hit as the damage can be higher. The contest become more than cumulative points but a dodge and pin scenario.
Perhaps setting up a lock, or one knockout, or a grapple to restrain. Hits are harder but the brain is built for singular hits with intercranial cushioning. Recovering from this is a lot more likely than repeated trauma.
Now throw in a kicking guy, a floor girl, a fatboy, a puncher, a speedy dude and the chessmatch of it all is intriguing.
YES, there is raw murdery dick waving, stab them up, concrete adrenalin, testosterone fueled agro and fights of which I don't condone but sanctioned, adjudicated bouts can be incredible when you look into and behind the curtain and see how it all works.
That’s a great explanation as I didn’t get MMA vs Boxing.It's not just t
tting each other about until one competitor breaks. It's about stamina, mental resolve, adaptability, technique, training, coaching, skill, experience.Once you begin to see past the initial tang of iron scent and feral violence the bigger picture is much larger than the initial perception.
Perhaps a good analogy would be a casual observer stating that racing cars just 'go round and around' yet we know that to even get that car from idea to creation, to track, to race is not only inspiration, logistics, design, discipline, planning, tactics, development... onto the day where all the variables and various inputs become tantamount and are then played out in a live arena.
Now swap that over to a fighter who has built their body in a certain way, and learnt how to overcome opponents, and subdue them within a constrained rule set. But where boxing is effectively multiple CTEs of which the longterm outcome can often be neurological issues. We've swapped to lighter gloves.
Yes, this provided a raw, and more bloodlust appearance when presented without context but due to this fighters are more wary of getting hit as the damage can be higher. The contest become more than cumulative points but a dodge and pin scenario.
Perhaps setting up a lock, or one knockout, or a grapple to restrain. Hits are harder but the brain is built for singular hits with intercranial cushioning. Recovering from this is a lot more likely than repeated trauma.
Now throw in a kicking guy, a floor girl, a fatboy, a puncher, a speedy dude and the chessmatch of it all is intriguing.
YES, there is raw murdery dick waving, stab them up, concrete adrenalin, testosterone fueled agro and fights of which I don't condone but sanctioned, adjudicated bouts can be incredible when you look into and behind the curtain and see how it all works.
The head injury bit makes sense.
I took up kickboxing way back in the day firstly as i was bullied - a lot - and secondly because it meant i could get rid of all my aggression in a controlled environment.
At the time i didn't see it that way, i just wanted to be able to kick seven bales out of the bullies but weirdly, once it became known i was doing kickboxing, it stopped.
I stopped after a while and never got the urge to go back to it, i guess in a way i grew up
At the time i didn't see it that way, i just wanted to be able to kick seven bales out of the bullies but weirdly, once it became known i was doing kickboxing, it stopped.
I stopped after a while and never got the urge to go back to it, i guess in a way i grew up
EmailAddress said:
True fighting as a sport is as tactical as any other sporting endeavour.
It's not just ttting each other about until one competitor breaks. It's about stamina, mental resolve, adaptability, technique, training, coaching, skill, experience.
Once you begin to see past the initial tang of iron scent and feral violence the bigger picture is much larger than the initial perception.
Perhaps a good analogy would be a casual observer stating that racing cars just 'go round and around' yet we know that to even get that car from idea to creation, to track, to race is not only inspiration, logistics, design, discipline, planning, tactics, development... onto the day where all the variables and various inputs become tantamount and are then played out in a live arena.
Now swap that over to a fighter who has built their body in a certain way, and learnt how to overcome opponents, and subdue them within a constrained rule set. But where boxing is effectively multiple CTEs of which the longterm outcome can often be neurological issues. We've swapped to lighter gloves.
Yes, this provided a raw, and more bloodlust appearance when presented without context but due to this fighters are more wary of getting hit as the damage can be higher. The contest become more than cumulative points but a dodge and pin scenario.
Perhaps setting up a lock, or one knockout, or a grapple to restrain. Hits are harder but the brain is built for singular hits with intercranial cushioning. Recovering from this is a lot more likely than repeated trauma.
Now throw in a kicking guy, a floor girl, a fatboy, a puncher, a speedy dude and the chessmatch of it all is intriguing.
YES, there is raw murdery dick waving, stab them up, concrete adrenalin, testosterone fueled agro and fights of which I don't condone but sanctioned, adjudicated bouts can be incredible when you look into and behind the curtain and see how it all works.
Interesting. Yes I appreciate the technical abilities and conditioning, it is a real science. Thanks for the explanation.It's not just t
tting each other about until one competitor breaks. It's about stamina, mental resolve, adaptability, technique, training, coaching, skill, experience.Once you begin to see past the initial tang of iron scent and feral violence the bigger picture is much larger than the initial perception.
Perhaps a good analogy would be a casual observer stating that racing cars just 'go round and around' yet we know that to even get that car from idea to creation, to track, to race is not only inspiration, logistics, design, discipline, planning, tactics, development... onto the day where all the variables and various inputs become tantamount and are then played out in a live arena.
Now swap that over to a fighter who has built their body in a certain way, and learnt how to overcome opponents, and subdue them within a constrained rule set. But where boxing is effectively multiple CTEs of which the longterm outcome can often be neurological issues. We've swapped to lighter gloves.
Yes, this provided a raw, and more bloodlust appearance when presented without context but due to this fighters are more wary of getting hit as the damage can be higher. The contest become more than cumulative points but a dodge and pin scenario.
Perhaps setting up a lock, or one knockout, or a grapple to restrain. Hits are harder but the brain is built for singular hits with intercranial cushioning. Recovering from this is a lot more likely than repeated trauma.
Now throw in a kicking guy, a floor girl, a fatboy, a puncher, a speedy dude and the chessmatch of it all is intriguing.
YES, there is raw murdery dick waving, stab them up, concrete adrenalin, testosterone fueled agro and fights of which I don't condone but sanctioned, adjudicated bouts can be incredible when you look into and behind the curtain and see how it all works.
Yes that is weird. The weird mob mentality of the football crowd is strange.
I used to work for a guy who was a well brought up plummy English man who supported Chelsea. Whenever he spoke to someone about football he would put on this fake London/cockney accent and use retarded football phrases. Like an Englishman in France speaking English loudly in a French accent.
I used to work for a guy who was a well brought up plummy English man who supported Chelsea. Whenever he spoke to someone about football he would put on this fake London/cockney accent and use retarded football phrases. Like an Englishman in France speaking English loudly in a French accent.
Al Gorithum said:
but I still avoid violence outside unless absolutely necessary - which it is occasionally.
Ditto. I've trained in different martial arts and fighting systems over the last 4 decades (showing my age) but one thing I can still do in my 50s is sprint and maintain a longer run thanks to reasonable cardio. 
Al Gorithum said:
Violence is ugly and to be avoided at all costs.
Black belts in Karate, Judo and Ju Jitsu which provides some skills, but I still avoid violence outside unless absolutely necessary - which it is occasionally.
Similar here - Karate, Judo, and Aikido.Black belts in Karate, Judo and Ju Jitsu which provides some skills, but I still avoid violence outside unless absolutely necessary - which it is occasionally.
I’ve never been in a fight outside a dojo, nor do I want to be. In terms of “real” fights, the best fight for you is always the one you avoid.
Grumps. said:
Al Gorithum said:
…… unless absolutely necessary - which it is occasionally.
How come?
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