Swapping number plates, not what you think
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The plate you replaced on the black car (car one) is retained by DVLA to put back on the car if you remove your personal plate. If you wanted to use it on another car you should have paid the £80 to retain it before putting the cheap plate on. As soon as you applied the cheap plate you lost the right to use the original registration.
Step 1: Request existing number plate from black car to be put on retention.
Step 2: Once you have a retention certificate for that plate, put this plate onto white car. (Aside, if you want to retain white car plate this should be put onto retention first. If you don't care about the plate, then it doesn't matter).
Step 3: Put newly purchased plate onto black car.
I think that is the order.
Step 2: Once you have a retention certificate for that plate, put this plate onto white car. (Aside, if you want to retain white car plate this should be put onto retention first. If you don't care about the plate, then it doesn't matter).
Step 3: Put newly purchased plate onto black car.
I think that is the order.
MustangGT said:
The plate you replaced on the black car (car one) is retained by DVLA to put back on the car if you remove your personal plate. If you wanted to use it on another car you should have paid the £80 to retain it before putting the cheap plate on. As soon as you applied the cheap plate you lost the right to use the original registration.
Won't the black car get its original number (assuming that was not a private one; a random date related reg if so)? The reg on the black car may be lost.Edited by V8LM on Sunday 10th September 18:01
Register1 said:
Hi all.
I am a bit confused.
So I went on-line and put my new number onto the black car.
But how do I put that removed plate off the black car, onto the white car?
When I get a new V5, will I get a retention for the old black plate, so I can pay the £80 and put it onto the white car?
Too late. You've done it in the wrong order. You needed to put the reg of the black car onto retention first which would then have given you the required documentation to put that reg number onto the white car.I am a bit confused.
So I went on-line and put my new number onto the black car.
But how do I put that removed plate off the black car, onto the white car?
When I get a new V5, will I get a retention for the old black plate, so I can pay the £80 and put it onto the white car?
The original plate from the black car may well be dormant awaiting to be reunited with the black car at some point in the future as this is common practice from the DVLA, but it's not definitive.
If you really are determined to do this swap your best bet would be to wait until you have the updated V5C for the black car in hand and reverse the process by putting its new plate back onto retention, crossing your fingers hard that the original plate is reunited with the car, waiting for the updated V5C again and then putting that number onto retention which will allow its transfer onto the white car.
The black car will be issued with a generic age related plate as part of the process in the interim and once you have yet another updated V5C you can then put your desired reg number onto it.
Or something.
Cloudy147 said:
Step 1: Request existing number plate from black car to be put on retention.
Step 2: Once you have a retention certificate for that plate, put this plate onto white car. (Aside, if you want to retain white car plate this should be put onto retention first. If you don't care about the plate, then it doesn't matter).
Step 3: Put newly purchased plate onto black car.
I think that is the order.
I will phone them Monday morning.Step 2: Once you have a retention certificate for that plate, put this plate onto white car. (Aside, if you want to retain white car plate this should be put onto retention first. If you don't care about the plate, then it doesn't matter).
Step 3: Put newly purchased plate onto black car.
I think that is the order.
See where the system the private plate is that I took off .
I don’t believe he has lost it. He will need to retain the plate that he has just incorrectly assigned to the black car, it should then return to its previous private plate. This then needs retaining and the process following correctly.
In other words, the error has cost £80 and some time.
In other words, the error has cost £80 and some time.
robsco said:
I don’t believe he has lost it. He will need to retain the plate that he has just incorrectly assigned to the black car, it should then return to its previous private plate. This then needs retaining and the process following correctly.
In other words, the error has cost £80 and some time.
Thanks,In other words, the error has cost £80 and some time.
This makes more sense.
Take the new plate off the black car, (what I put on today) and it gets its previous plate back.
Then put that on retention.
Then put the new plate back on again.
I think is the way.
I hope I can get through to dvla tomorrow morning to confirm procedure.
Register1 said:
Baldchap said:
You put the old plate on retention first. If you have not done so you have probably lost it.
Google FTW.
How can you loose it?Google FTW.
I cant see how one can just lose it.
Register1 said:
Thanks,
This makes more sense.
Take the new plate off the black car, (what I put on today) and it gets its previous plate back.
Then put that on retention.
Then put the new plate back on again.
I think is the way.
I hope I can get through to dvla tomorrow morning to confirm procedure.
Phone the DVLA first thing. You can't take the new reg off the black car until you get the new V5C. There is no guarantee that the previous reg will go back on the black car - if this was first registered under a different reg, it will get that. This makes more sense.
Take the new plate off the black car, (what I put on today) and it gets its previous plate back.
Then put that on retention.
Then put the new plate back on again.
I think is the way.
I hope I can get through to dvla tomorrow morning to confirm procedure.
I concur with ringing the DVLA to freeze the plate transfer. You need to take the previous plate off first to keep hold of it before slapping another one on.
For reference, and to those who may find this thread in future, if you put a private plate on a car, then double up and put a second one on, the original registration can get lost and the car ends up on the first private plate, but with a non-transferrable tag.
One of my old cars was registered XY12XYZ from the factory. It then had a private plate AB51CDE applied to it. The car was sold with the private plate still attached, but the next owner decided to apply their own private plate, let's say PN15FUN. Anyway when PN15FUN was taken off the car, it reverted to AB51CDE and the V5 had an extra line item, saying something like "registration mark is non-transferable" - essentially binding that private plate to that car for life.
I bought that car with AB51CDE attached to it and put my own plate on it, the dealer sorted the plates out so when I got my V5 it had my plate on it and just the one line item, "number of former keepers: 4" or whatever. When I took my plate off in preparation to sell the car, the V5 came back with a second line item as mentioned above.
I also understand that these days, 99% of cars that get put on private plates get their original plates reassigned. The remainder are cars that end up on Q-plates or exported - I'm told this is mainly for an Irish car that finds its way onto the mainland and is re-registered, but I don't know enough to say if this is true or not.
For reference, and to those who may find this thread in future, if you put a private plate on a car, then double up and put a second one on, the original registration can get lost and the car ends up on the first private plate, but with a non-transferrable tag.
One of my old cars was registered XY12XYZ from the factory. It then had a private plate AB51CDE applied to it. The car was sold with the private plate still attached, but the next owner decided to apply their own private plate, let's say PN15FUN. Anyway when PN15FUN was taken off the car, it reverted to AB51CDE and the V5 had an extra line item, saying something like "registration mark is non-transferable" - essentially binding that private plate to that car for life.
I bought that car with AB51CDE attached to it and put my own plate on it, the dealer sorted the plates out so when I got my V5 it had my plate on it and just the one line item, "number of former keepers: 4" or whatever. When I took my plate off in preparation to sell the car, the V5 came back with a second line item as mentioned above.
I also understand that these days, 99% of cars that get put on private plates get their original plates reassigned. The remainder are cars that end up on Q-plates or exported - I'm told this is mainly for an Irish car that finds its way onto the mainland and is re-registered, but I don't know enough to say if this is true or not.
The non-transferable status is for the registration, meaning it cannot be put on retention or transferred to another car. It doesn’t mean a different reg cannot be assigned to the vehicle.
This was introduced as when a registration is taken off a vehicle and the original registration is has been reassigned or on retention, the car gets a new reg of the same date.
This became a source of valuable single single, double double, etc registrations. The DVLA introduced the non-transferable status to stop this practice and regain control.
This was introduced as when a registration is taken off a vehicle and the original registration is has been reassigned or on retention, the car gets a new reg of the same date.
This became a source of valuable single single, double double, etc registrations. The DVLA introduced the non-transferable status to stop this practice and regain control.
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