Motorcyclist Fined For Stopping After Being Stung by Bee

[bad company]

I’d have thought stopping would be a safety matter:-

https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/f...

[Welcome.]

Which was overturned due to some ruling.

[bad company]

Welcome. said:

Which was overturned due to some ruling.

Overturned on a technicality, his appeal to TFL was declined.

[Super Sonic]

The technicality being that the fine was not legal.

[kiethton]

They're all as bad as each other.

I got a ticket in the city a few weeks ago - I checked the big suspended bay sign next to my bay and it wasn't listed so I parked.

They use the non-compliant sign (which looks no different to the one normally there) so myself and the 20 other bikes in the bay all got ticketed....appeal rejected.

I took one to the adjudicator 5 years ago (when it last happened for the same thing) and they refused it too, erring in law in the process.

Too much on so can't stand the hassle of appealing it but the case for mis-typing a new number plate "sorry my dyslexia" has never been stronger

Edited by kiethton on Thursday 7th September 20:37

[bad company]

kiethton said:

They're all as bad as each other.

I got a ticket in the city a few weeks ago - I checked the big suspended bay sign next to my bay and it wasn't listed so I parked.

They use the non-compliant sign (which looks no different to the one normally there) so myself and the 20 other bikes in the bay all got ticketed....appeal rejected.

I took one to the adjudicator 5 years ago (when it last happened for the same thing) and they refused it too, erring in law in the process.

Too much on so can't stand the hassle of appealing it but the case for mis-typing a new number plate "sorry my dyslexia" has never been stronger

Edited by kiethton on Thursday 7th September 20:37

I managed a win at the tribunal albeit not for parking:-

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[shih tzu faced]

Funnily enough I always remember my driving instructor telling me that a bee in the car counted as an emergency situation and meant you could legally stop on the hard shoulder.

No idea why that nugget of information stuck with me but seeing this topic felt I just had to say it.

[Simpo Two]

So driving while using a mobile phone is dangerous and you must stop, but driving with a bee in your helmet is safe and you have to keep going. Both can't be right.

Clearly a practical test is required, using the adjudicator/s in place of the victim, and then inserting the angry bee. We can place bets on how long they last for.

[Ian Geary]

Welcome. said:

Which was overturned due to some ruling.

You are Welcome: that completely misses the point though.

I'm sure people can read, but

- Tfl refused the appeal

- the transport tribunal commissioner's (X3) said they weren't convinced a bee sting under the eye was a good enough reason to stop, and therefore cancel the penalty

- the fact CCTV footage can't be used to enforce red routes meant the point was moot, so it was cancelled on grounds nothing to do with he circumstances.

Two important things from this:

- will tfl do anything to refund motorists fined by unlawful use of CCTV up until now?

- the tfl bod and commissioners are complete numpties.

I've been stung in the face whilst on a pushbike, and it was flipping distracting. I had to stop immediately (I was going about 40 down the Mendips, which made it "interesting")

I also ride a motorbike, and you damn well have to be paying attention in London. Being stung under the eye, and keeping sufficient observation around you in traffic simply aren't compatable.

The commissioners might know parking rules inside out, but their lack of knowledge on this subject is woeful.

I think I would have refused to pay and taken it to a magistrate - at least some chance of common sense there.

Ian

[Simpo Two]

It's remarkable how many laws, how much bickering, and how many jobsworths it takes to defeat simple common sense. And at what cost to the country I wonder?

If I never visit London again I shall be perfectly content; it sound like an utter sthole now.

[gtidriver]

I was driving down City Road in London and felt sick, I pulled up opened the door, and threw up on the floor, not my finest moment especially as it was in the center of the road. A few days later a letter inviting me to pay £60 arrived as I'd stopped with one wheel of my van in the bus lane, you could see my door open and me leaning out, I contested it and was told next time to be sick in my vehicle and clear it up later. Lovely.

[Aretnap]

Ian Geary said:

I think I would have refused to pay and taken it to a magistrate - at least some chance of common sense there.

You can't take a PCN to a magistrate - is not a criminal matter. If you refuse to pay after the adjudicator (London Tribunals in this case) has trueness down your appeal you just end up with bailiffs turning up at your door.

In principle I think you could ask the High Court for a judicial review of the adjudicator's decision, but you would need a few thousand pounds to spare, which seems like a lot for the sake of a parking ticket. Other than that there is no further route of appeal after the adjudicator has turned you down.

[freedman]

Simpo Two said:

So driving while using a mobile phone is dangerous and you must stop, but driving with a bee in your helmet is safe and you have to keep going. Both can't be right.

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What?

Using a handheld mobile is illegal, we all know that, but it has nothing in common with this issue

[Simpo Two]

freedman said:

Simpo Two said:

So driving while using a mobile phone is dangerous and you must stop, but driving with a bee in your helmet is safe and you have to keep going. Both can't be right.

.

What? Using a handheld mobile is illegal, we all know that, but it has nothing in common with this issue

The common link is distraction that could lead to an accident.

[freedman]

Simpo Two said:

The common link is distraction that could lead to an accident.

There is no link

Being stung by a bee isnt illegal

Using a mobile is

[R6tty]

Certainly on a motorway, the only allowance to stop on the hard shoulder is a mechanical breakdown. Nothing else.

[airsafari87]

Reminds me of my worst ever motorcycling incident back in 1991.

Getting hit squarely in the adams Apple be a bee while doing 100mph +.

[Aretnap]

R6tty said:

Certainly on a motorway, the only allowance to stop on the hard shoulder is a mechanical breakdown. Nothing else.

The law would disagree with you on that one. Reasons why it's acceptable to stop on the hard shoulder, or the motorway more generally, include:

(a)...a breakdown or mechanical defect or lack of fuel, oil or water, required for the vehicle; or
(b)by reason of any accident, illness or other emergency; or
(c)to permit any person carried in or on the vehicle to recover or move any object which has fallen onto a motorway; or
(d)to permit any person carried in or on the vehicle to give help which is required by any other person in any of the circumstances specified in the foregoing provisions of this paragraph

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1982/1163/regu...

Good use of the word "certainly" though.

[Simpo Two]

freedman said:

Simpo Two said:

The common link is distraction that could lead to an accident.

There is no link

Being stung by a bee isnt illegal

Using a mobile is

You're arguing law and acting as prosecutor, ignoring the big picture.

In reality one action is voluntary, the other involuntary. And we all know the law is an ass

[Trax]

Reminds me of the drama a while ago, cant remember the name but it was all about an accident on a motorway. A few were killed, including a person being smuggled in a van/lorry.

At the end they showed the lead up to the cause of the pile up, which was the driver distracted trying to fend off a bee/wasp in his car.