RE: Building a 993 or 964 restomod? This is for you...
RE: Building a 993 or 964 restomod? This is for you...
Thursday 5th October 2023

Building a 993 or 964 restomod? This is for you...

Swindon Powertrain promises 'transformative' performance from new 24-valve cylinder head kit


Swindon Powertrain has been in the news of late as a partner with Caterham on its EV project. But its history stretches back more than half a century now, with its roots firmly in making very racy engines for both motorsport and road use (like the 250hp Seven JPE, appropriately enough). Its latest creation is a welcome nod to that tradition while also showing what modern technology and manufacturing can achieve. It’s a 24-valve head for the last of the air-cooled Porsche 911s, the 964 and 993. 

As well as being a beautiful thing to look at, it brings significant performance gains to the old flat-sixes. Given the fashion for restomodding old 911s shows no signs of abating, it feels like a good time to introduce what’s officially known as the M64 Cylinder Head Kit: keep air-cooled loveliness, introduce a whole new world of performance and possibilities. 

A two-valve-per-cylinder head on any car has its limits, but for the 964 and 993 it was very old-school architecture. It meant a reduced valve area and low flow, ergo less air in the combustion chamber - and so a restriction on the power that could be achieved. They were big valves, too, and big valves need big springs, which are heavier, and won’t want to rev so high. 

The M64 is intended to solve these issues. It’s made from A356 grade aluminium with titanium valves and saves 3.5kg over the regular heads in a 993. Swindon says flow improves in the 24-valve head over the standard 12-valve by 40 per cent on the inlet side and 66 per cent on the exhaust. Somewhat predictably, it reckons there are ‘substantial’ increases in both power and torque. Best of all is what this new head can do for revs, the overhauled valvetrain permitting up to 12,000rpm if somebody were inclined to embark on a very serious engine rebuild. 

Swindon can help with that, of course, with pistons, inlet porting and bespoke cam profiles on offer. Or it’s fully compatible with the regular 943 and 993 engine as is. No changes are required for the lubrication system, cam chain drive or exhaust, regardless of engine size. 

This sort of engineering doesn’t come cheap - the M64 Cylinder Head Kit is £30k plus taxes - but you only need to look at the lengths people are going to in the restomod space to see where the demand might come from. Who wouldn’t, if they could afford it, want a revvier, more powerful, more exotic flat-six in the back of their classic Porsche 911?  “Using the latest innovations in materials alongside CNC machining to F1 tolerance standards, our cylinder heads transform an air-cooled engine. The improved breathing and ability to rev, unleash the potential to experience your 911 like never before” said Swindon Powertrain MD Raphaël Caillé. Good, right? And, really, it’d be rude to stop at just the very best cylinder head a 993 has ever seen once you’ve made the leap - might as well crack on with the full road racer transformation. This Turqoise Carrera 2 looks like the perfect candidate…


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Augustus Windsock

Original Poster:

3,796 posts

185 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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Very very nice, but when you include taxes and fitting, over half the price of that turquoise 993.
As suggested, you would need to be going for a full testimony to make it economically worthwhile. And unless that same turquoise 993 has had a boatload of recent engine work I’d suggest that the whole engine would need a refresh, or perhaps updated rods, pistons etc so that £30k plus taxes plus fitting will soon increase massively.
I stand to be corrected of course…

blueovercream

354 posts

121 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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Watch this space for values of nice standard 964s and 993s (like that turquoise one) climbing ever higher as more and more get restomodded. Soon there won’t be any left!

Nicolas Lazar

214 posts

57 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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Nice. That whole restomod / reeingineering industry exists only because current products are so unattractive. But it is also a spiritual and cultural thing. Sign of the times.

Edited by Nicolas Lazar on Thursday 5th October 07:05

BertBert

21,276 posts

241 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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Presumably this is what's in the Tuthill 911k?

G Thang

1,672 posts

58 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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Nice. But I believe a supercharger would give you a similar increase in power for a fraction of the price.

Pflanzgarten

7,626 posts

55 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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I say this as an ex-993 owner, it’s a design not aging terribly gracefully. And it might not be the most popular opinion but dare I say it the 996 is starting to look like the better design.

edoverheels

614 posts

135 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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Nicolas Lazar said:
Nice. That whole restomod / reeingineering industry exists only because current products are so unattractive. But it is also a spiritual and cultural thing. Sign of the times.

Edited by Nicolas Lazar on Thursday 5th October 07:05
Agreed, I can’t even be bothered to read the article about the new Lamborghini because it seems so pointless. At least you stand a chance of actually driving a restomod on anything other than a dual carriageway.

Gad-Westy

16,589 posts

243 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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G Thang said:
Nice. But I believe a supercharger would give you a similar increase in power for a fraction of the price.
Presumably this is aimed at those contemplating a top end refresh anyway rather than those just looking for more power.

J4CKO

46,879 posts

230 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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Nicolas Lazar said:
Nice. That whole restomod / reeingineering industry exists only because current products are so unattractive. But it is also a spiritual and cultural thing. Sign of the times.

Edited by Nicolas Lazar on Thursday 5th October 07:05
Its because folk get sniffy about the old stuff and pretend it is motoring nirvana and all new stuff is st, there are some pros and cons to each but old cars are largely a pain in the backside and compromised in many ways, truth is somewhere between these polar opposites I expect.

Sure they are lovely but I wold take a nice new 992, prefer how it looks to be honest, which is unpopular and I quite like the 993/964 but I cant imagine how it would live up to the hype, experience with a 944 S2 hasnt helped in that regard of old Porsches.

Not sure how the 992 is so unappealing ? be interesting to drive both back to back, bet if we are actually honest and objective the new car would be way better in every way.

Reverence for old stuff is probably why religions start, and cults, and 911s do seem to have got a bit like that.

edoverheels

614 posts

135 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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J4CKO said:
Its because folk get sniffy about the old stuff and pretend it is motoring nirvana and all new stuff is st, there are some pros and cons to each but old cars are largely a pain in the backside and compromised in many ways, truth is somewhere between these polar opposites I expect.

Sure they are lovely but I wold take a nice new 992, prefer how it looks to be honest, which is unpopular and I quite like the 993/964 but I cant imagine how it would live up to the hype, experience with a 944 S2 hasnt helped in that regard of old Porsches.

Not sure how the 992 is so unappealing ? be interesting to drive both back to back, bet if we are actually honest and objective the new car would be way better in every way.



Reverence for old stuff is probably why religions start, and cults, and 911s do seem to have got a bit like that.
It depends what you mean by better. A 992 is no doubt a fabulous thing and not many ways better or more enjoyable for getting from A to B. As a weekend car I would still take a tweaked 964 (says a man who has driven neither) on the basis you are not worried about connectivity and air con, you are after connection which older cars seem to provide in spades.

You need both.


RemarkLima

2,842 posts

242 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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Pflanzgarten said:
I say this as an ex-993 owner, it’s a design not aging terribly gracefully. And it might not be the most popular opinion but dare I say it the 996 is starting to look like the better design.
I know what you mean - the 993 is a bit of no mans land in that sense. The 996 body is probably the nicest since the first 60's models IMHO - just the lights, whilst OK, don't get that retro vibe. If they'd made the 996 with round lights I'm sure it'd be a proper loved classic now.

For me, the NA pre 964 models are really lovely things.

J4CKO

46,879 posts

230 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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edoverheels said:
J4CKO said:
Its because folk get sniffy about the old stuff and pretend it is motoring nirvana and all new stuff is st, there are some pros and cons to each but old cars are largely a pain in the backside and compromised in many ways, truth is somewhere between these polar opposites I expect.

Sure they are lovely but I wold take a nice new 992, prefer how it looks to be honest, which is unpopular and I quite like the 993/964 but I cant imagine how it would live up to the hype, experience with a 944 S2 hasnt helped in that regard of old Porsches.

Not sure how the 992 is so unappealing ? be interesting to drive both back to back, bet if we are actually honest and objective the new car would be way better in every way.



Reverence for old stuff is probably why religions start, and cults, and 911s do seem to have got a bit like that.
It depends what you mean by better. A 992 is no doubt a fabulous thing and not many ways better or more enjoyable for getting from A to B. As a weekend car I would still take a tweaked 964 (says a man who has driven neither) on the basis you are not worried about connectivity and air con, you are after connection which older cars seem to provide in spades.

You need both.
Lol, yep, checks internet banking app, err, maybe not just now )

Does seem strange to choose new vs old, I dont think you can distill it down into being that simple, just pick what you fancy and dont feel the need to slag the other options off or rule them out completely. Like all the folk saying they will never, ever drive an EV, I dont want one right now but not ruling it out as dont want to do an embarrassing climb down at some point, seen it happen.

Wont be spending 30 grand on some heads any time soon, but who knows what life throws at you, times and circumstances change so what seems impossible and alien now may become a possibility down the line, unlikely but glad a British engineering company is making cool stuff like that, good luck to them !

996_3.4

96 posts

38 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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£30k without tax, shipment, fitment, "might as wells", tuning etc. means you likely won't see this fitted into a 993 for under £45k. Truly a niche product, then. Apart from track cars and million pounds restomods, I can't imagine those being fitted to many 993s.

I also agree that -and that is incredibly surprising- the 996 seems to be aging better than the 993.

BOR

5,147 posts

285 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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Nice work, but I thought there was a fundamental problem cooling the valves in a 4 valve air cooled, which was one of the reasons for going to water cooling on the 996?

Nevertheless, nice idea and the costs are plausible for what are basically going to be prototype volumes.

More in-depth info on the design would be interesting.

CKY

2,268 posts

45 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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Pflanzgarten said:
I say this as an ex-993 owner, it’s a design not aging terribly gracefully. And it might not be the most popular opinion but dare I say it the 996 is starting to look like the better design.
I was thinking the opposite! Had a 993 C2 15 years ago, didn't really gel with it at the time and moved it on to a friend after 18 months. I liked the looks of it and the way it drove, the sound of it was great but the power delivery was just a bit too linear and 'boring' for me. With something like these cylinder heads fitted and some other supporting engine mods i'd probably still have my 993, never been arsed by all the water-cooled stuff.

911Spanker

3,685 posts

46 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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Liked the 993 when launched but now I prefer a 964 or 996.

996 probably drives the best out of all of them and is arguably the best usable 911 of them all - classic enough to be fun and engaging and modern enough to be used everyday.


JJJ.

5,589 posts

45 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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A really nice option to have but you'd really have to be committed to the car for the expenditure and whatever addition costs, modifications that are required to run those heads.
Regardless, it's lovely upgrade.

JJJ.

5,589 posts

45 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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G Thang said:
Nice. But I believe a supercharger would give you a similar increase in power for a fraction of the price.
I'm biased but it's hard to knock an S/C when looking for a performance upgrade even if it doesn't have same character as a higher rev'ing multivalve N/A. Horses for courses.

Penguinracer

1,773 posts

236 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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A couple of weeks ago I was at a Porsche restoration specialist who had a couple of clients’ early 2 litre SWB 911’s awaiting collection.
What impressed most was the the diminutive size of them. A 992 is of a size where it’s genuinely into GT territory - which is fine as long as you’re ok with that.
It’s great that these heads are available at all, notwithstanding the price.
To me the 911 peaked at the 997 as the the 991 & 992, designed from the outset for hybridisation, are just too big & heavy for a car without four seats which are useable for adults.

ettore

5,100 posts

282 months

Thursday 5th October 2023
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Any reason why you couldn't do this with the earlier G series cars?. I have an old 3.2 Carrera that will be with me forever. A pep-up at some point might be worth considering!