Leeds - 1st full time average speed cameras

[Patio]

I think it's a worrying precident

The road in question is mainly dual carriageway and was NSL in large parts, now 50 all the way

https://news.leeds.gov.uk/news/first-permanent-ave...

Seems another improvement that makes thinks worse

Coming to a road near you!

[agtlaw]

Patio said:

I think it's a worrying precident

The road in question is mainly dual carriageway and was NSL in large parts, now 50 all the way

https://news.leeds.gov.uk/news/first-permanent-ave...

Seems another improvement that makes thinks worse

Coming to a road near you!

• Precedent.

The first permanent average speed camera system in West Yorkshire, but not the first permanent average speed camera system in England. Example: https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/17378919.permane...

Also, welcome to June 2023.

[Mrs Sunak]

agtlaw said:

Patio said:

I think it's a worrying precident

The road in question is mainly dual carriageway and was NSL in large parts, now 50 all the way

https://news.leeds.gov.uk/news/first-permanent-ave...

Seems another improvement that makes thinks worse

Coming to a road near you!

• Precedent.

The first permanent average speed camera system in West Yorkshire, but not the first permanent average speed camera system in England. Example: https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/17378919.permane...

Also, welcome to June 2023.

Yep, and contrary to popular opinion, they work very well as it has helped reduce the bunching up at the various roundabouts on the route.

Although those particular ones only cover a couple of miles been two very busy junctions.

[paradigital]

We’ve had permanent fixed average speed cameras on the A536 between Macclesfield and Congleton for years. I don’t see the problem.

And also on the A537 “Cat & Fiddle”, which massively reduced the amount of accidents.

[Drumroll]

Patio said:

I think it's a worrying precident

The road in question is mainly dual carriageway and was NSL in large parts, now 50 all the way

https://news.leeds.gov.uk/news/first-permanent-ave...

Seems another improvement that makes thinks worse

Coming to a road near you!

Stanningley Bypass has a horrendous accident record. Anything that helps reduce that is fine with me.

[vaud]

Or the A52 since 2015.

[Dibble]

A14 since about 2011 from memory.

[vaud]

Drumroll said:

Stanningley Bypass has a horrendous accident record. Anything that helps reduce that is fine with me.

The standard of driving is shocking, I try to avoid it. Not as bad as Bradford city centre but still...

[bigothunter]

Leeds.Gov.UK said:

Councillor Helen Hayden, executive member for sustainable development and infrastructure, said:

“Alongside our Leeds Vision Zero 2040 Strategy, the West Yorkshire Safety Camera Partnership’s new strategic approach to enforcement, signage and speed management allows us to ensure that our neighbourhoods and roads in Leeds are safe for all.

We have a bold ambition of having zero deaths on Leeds roads by 2040 and the new strategy sets out a flexible, clear and consistent approach to managing speed and safety."

To achieve anything close to zero deaths, vehicle speeds will need to come right down. These strictly controlled lower limits are only an initial step in that direction. Expect far more stringent controls to follow.

[Patio]

bigothunter said:

Leeds.Gov.UK said:

Councillor Helen Hayden, executive member for sustainable development and infrastructure, said:

“Alongside our Leeds Vision Zero 2040 Strategy, the West Yorkshire Safety Camera Partnership’s new strategic approach to enforcement, signage and speed management allows us to ensure that our neighbourhoods and roads in Leeds are safe for all.

We have a bold ambition of having zero deaths on Leeds roads by 2040 and the new strategy sets out a flexible, clear and consistent approach to managing speed and safety."

To achieve anything close to zero deaths, vehicle speeds will need to come right down. These strictly controlled lower limits are only an initial step in that direction. Expect far more stringent controls to follow.

Exactly, it's taxation dressed up as pie in the sky safety

I'm noticing more and more roads with reduced speed limits with no warning

[Mrs Sunak]

Taxation?

In what way do you think that is?

[pork911]

Patio said:

Exactly, it's taxation dressed up as pie in the sky safety

I'm noticing more and more roads with reduced speed limits with no warning

How do you notice them then?

[bigothunter]

Patio said:

Exactly, it's taxation dressed up as pie in the sky safety

I'm noticing more and more roads with reduced speed limits with no warning

The anti-car movement has made some big gains recently across the UK. This is just more of the same.

With my safety eyes sharply focused, road in the photo below looks ideal for a 30 mph limit. In Wales, it could be candidate for 20 mph restriction.

We are in a race to the bottom, challenged by how slow can you go ?

[Patio]

pork911 said:

Patio said:

Exactly, it's taxation dressed up as pie in the sky safety

I'm noticing more and more roads with reduced speed limits with no warning

How do you notice them then?

Often almost overnight changing of speed limit signs, roads that were 50 for as long as I've used them suddenly become 40/30

[ChocolateFrog]

Patio said:

I think it's a worrying precident

The road in question is mainly dual carriageway and was NSL in large parts, now 50 all the way

https://news.leeds.gov.uk/news/first-permanent-ave...

Seems another improvement that makes thinks worse

Coming to a road near you!

It won't be long before Sheffield Parkway has these.

Was NSL dual carriageway forever then got resurfaced last year and is now 50mph.

Only the average speed along there is still 60-70, many do motorway speeds still. Its only a matter of time before they put a stop to that.

[bigothunter]

ChocolateFrog said:

It won't be long before Sheffield Parkway has these.

Was NSL dual carriageway forever then got resurfaced last year and is now 50mph.

Only the average speed along there is still 60-70, many do motorway speeds still. Its only a matter of time before they put a stop to that.

Do you feel putting a stop to that is the correct policy? If so, why?

[Terminator X]

Mrs Sunak said:

agtlaw said:

Patio said:

I think it's a worrying precident

The road in question is mainly dual carriageway and was NSL in large parts, now 50 all the way

https://news.leeds.gov.uk/news/first-permanent-ave...

Seems another improvement that makes thinks worse

Coming to a road near you!

• Precedent.

The first permanent average speed camera system in West Yorkshire, but not the first permanent average speed camera system in England. Example: https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/17378919.permane...

Also, welcome to June 2023.

Yep, and contrary to popular opinion, they work very well as it has helped reduce the bunching up at the various roundabouts on the route.

Although those particular ones only cover a couple of miles been two very busy junctions.

Very handy after 8pm when there is either no other traffic or very little traffic.

TX.

[NFT]

pork911 said:

Patio said:

Exactly, it's taxation dressed up as pie in the sky safety

I'm noticing more and more roads with reduced speed limits with no warning

How do you notice them then?

Your going along safely with attention fully on road ahead and an idiot is pointing something at you before your fixated exclusively on speedo and braking as speed drops resulting in vehicle dangerously going along without a driver observing road with rear end likelihood wildly increased due to following vehicle doing same and its a competition between braking efforts and distance you don't want to win if your in front.

That's when you realize he is making the road safer, and you will be conscripted to a course of re-education or a court throwing fairness in bin while finding the circumstances and dangers of the safety operator fully acceptable.

Patio said:

I'm noticing more and more roads with reduced speed limits with no warning

Changed with signs overnight? or the feckers have a faster road reduced without signs immediately before say, a dual carriageway so you accelerate keeping left with it a clearly divided multi lane DC and forget last sign some time before say lights was a 30?

Seen a few of them and tbh I am considering an elaborate plan to put my v5 at an address and name I cannot be traced at while also wearing a face mask while driving to mess their safety van conscription up entirely. four friends and an employee I don't even know got done by this on same road and i think some time ago someone even complained on here.

Edited by NFT on Monday 9th October 23:57

[bigothunter]

NFT said:

Your going along safely with attention fully on road ahead and an idiot is pointing something at you before your fixated exclusively on speedo and braking as speed drops resulting in vehicle dangerously going along without a driver observing road with rear end likelihood wildly increased due to following vehicle doing same and its a competition between braking efforts and distance you don't want to win if your in front.

That's when you realize he is making the road safer, and you will be conscripted to a course of re-education or a court throwing fairness in bin while finding the circumstances and dangers of the safety operator fully acceptable.

In the quest for ultimate safety, all speed limits must reduced to an absolute crawl.

Slower is always safer...

You know it stands to reason

[NFT]

bigothunter said:

In the quest for ultimate safety, all speed limits must reduced to an absolute crawl.

Slower is always safer...

You know it stands to reason

They said that when brought some national limits near me to 50, then 40 as dong 55, now seen some are 30 without warning.

I can see it now,

Welcome to (city/town),
No vehicle access,
Walking only,

Followed by

Enforcement Warning,
Speeds over 5mph will be ticketed, all wheeled transport banned, incl skateboards, skates and cycles.

Edited by NFT on Tuesday 10th October 00:48