RE: Mini Cooper S (R56) | PH Fleet
RE: Mini Cooper S (R56) | PH Fleet
Wednesday 11th October 2023

Mini Cooper S (R56) | PH Fleet

PS4s are replaced with PS5s - game on...


The Mini has been busy of late, racking up both a good amount of miles (it’s now through 75,000, meaning more than 5k with me) and, well, a good amount of invoices as well. But nothing has been completely unexpected (honest) and the car that’s resulted from the money spent is only becoming more likeable. I never thought I’d enjoy Mini ownership this much. 

With a couple more bits to remedy - I still haven’t got around to the air-con, which felt very silly during the heatwave, and a piece of window trim was jetwashed off - OYJ is pretty much sorted. With a lot of its miles on the motorway or going to the train station, it would make sense to create a more focused track car. Which is good, because I can’t afford to do that. But with a couple of parts renewed or replaced, it’s doing a great job of being fast, fun, usable and useful transport. The realistic to-do list is looking very short. 

Changing the tyres was one of two significant jobs undertaken recently. I knew the fronts were running a tad low, and were highlighted as an advisory on the MOT; no tremendous surprise given it’s a fairly powerful little FWD car that implores you to drive with a bit of vim. With Michelins all round doing a decent job so far, I saw no reason to change from the 205/45 R17 Pilot Sport 4s already on the Challenge alloys. But Bibendum (or his PR team, at least) could do one better than that, and supplied a set of Pilot Sport 5s for the Mini. 

Now, any new tyre day is exciting, especially when it’s all four. And I’ve no doubt that box-fresh anything on the Cooper S would have made a difference. Initially, at least. That being said, the change in the car’s behaviour really is marked, a reminder of just what an influence very good tyres can have on a car. 

This might sound odd given the remit of the tyre and the car: the most noticeable immediate improvements are in comfort and refinement. Not exactly Mini strengths as standard, so perhaps that’s made the uplift more noticeable. I can now hear more induction roar and exhaust pop than road drone, which is great, and having fresh rubber on a reasonable sidewall has helped smooth out some of the worst imperfections encountered. It’s still a busy B-road blaster, just not quite so crashy, which is most certainly very good news.

And when the tarmac isn’t so battered, the Mini and its Michelins are a match made in heaven. That lightning-fast turn in is even sharper, with a welcome bit of extra weight to the steering in normal mode, grip is stronger (now more evenly spread around the car, too), and traction is demonstrably better. Despite lacking a limited-slip diff or any kind of especially clever traction control, the Mini does a mighty job of romping away from bends. I’m looking forward to driving it again now more than ever. Which is long way of saying that when it comes to buying my own tyres again - could be sooner than hoped, given how much fun it is - it’s hard to imagine getting anything but Michelin. Even at about £150 a tyre.

Also contributing to this enthusiasm is a nifty performance upgrade known as… a new clutch, flywheel and service. Not a cheap undertaking, for sure, at £1,650 - so it’s not being sold for a few miles yet! - but always likely to happen at some point during ownership if you have an old car for a few years. That’s how I’m justifying it for now. That and the vastly better feel of the car. 

Presumably now with reduced losses from engine to wheel, the little 1.6-litre turbo feels so much stronger than it ever did, punching hard in every single gear and revving more freely as well. It feels properly rapid for a car only meant to be 184hp/177lb ft strong. A rolling road session seems silly given there’s no eivdence in a decent wodge of paperwork of any tuning, but I remain intrigued of true power. On top of that, the gearshift is now more positive, the bite less vague, and the judder at manouevring speed is gone. The old clutch probably would have held out a little longer, and spending so much in the first year wasn’t exaclty in the plan; on the other hand, there shouldn’t be any more big jobs in the immediate future, and the car feels brilliant for the money spent on it. I’m starting to see how improving little bits here and there soon morphs into a full-on rework, because it’s such a joy to be given back a car tangibly better than how it was left. Just a shame about the expense, really…

As if to say thanks for lavishing what is quite a lot of money (certainly relative to the overall value) on it, the Mini has rewarded me with no warning lights of late. Which is nice. As I don’t really believe in fate, I’ll say things have never been better (hope we all enjoy reading this back next time around). Here’s to some nice, cool autumn air for the turbo, more resurfacing of the roads near me, and any opportunity possible to get behind the wheel - I can’t wait. 


FACT SHEET 

Car: 2011 Mini Cooper S
Run by: Matt Bird
On fleet since: February 2023
Bought for: £6,400
Mileage: 75,280
Last month at a glance: Freshly Michelin’d Mini much improved!

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Person7

Original Poster:

5 posts

50 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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Are the tyres pilot sport 5 and pilot sport 5s. Not sure the 5s exists.

Twinair

1,038 posts

172 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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Glad you have put ‘good’ rubber on this thing - all round. You already see the benefits.

Quite a few posters get excited when cars have the ‘right’ - premium or OEM tyres!

It’s like people think this is somehow ‘beyond the necessary’ or over and above?!

I’ve never put anything other than the premium OEM rated tyres on any of my 53 vehicles I’ve owned?!

Case in point - that Disco 5 on the other post, it will drive much nicer with PNCS Scorpion black circles on it!

They are expensive - sure - but ditchfinders are even more expensive (when) if they fail you in motion…!

Good tyres - good choice!

matrignano

4,700 posts

240 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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Aren't those "non S" PS5?

alicrozier

562 posts

267 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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Yep, can you clarify if the originals were PS4 or PS4S. From the pictures the new ones are PS5.
In my experience the PS5 are a good 'wet' tyre but not a match for PS4S on a dry track...

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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Person7 said:
Are the tyres pilot sport 5 and pilot sport 5s. Not sure the 5s exists.
This confusion with PS4s and PS4Ss is why they've now named the new-generation ones the "Pilot Sport S 5".

Networkgeek

451 posts

63 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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I've previously commented on PH about my experience with an R56 Mini Cooper S (N14 engine).

In summary, every single common fault happened once the warranty ran out. The HPFP going was fun while on the motorway, and the incredibly bad oil usage (600 miles to 1L).

I was desperate to sell that POS and gave it the most aggressive middle finger possible while driving off in my new car. I've never hated a car quite like that one.

It did sound good though.

akirk

5,778 posts

144 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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My 2012 R57 is having 4 x Michelin Pilot Sport 5 tyres put on it outside on the drive as I read this - looking forward to how different it will feel - three different types of tyres removed - three RF and one MS - two on the wear line, so possibly any new tyres would improve but am looking forward to good tyres on it.

cerb4.5lee

44,795 posts

210 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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I remember the Michelin PS4 transforming my F56 Cooper S after the crappy Michelin Primacy 3 that it had on it from the factory(even Michelin can still make a crap tyre believe it or not then!).

I'm definitely a Michelin fanboy though, and I have MPS4 on the 370Z, MPSS on the F82 M4, plus MPS4S on the GLE400d!(although the tyres on that do cost an absolute fortune and the rears cost £510 each last time, and they are getting ready for new ones now as well yikes).

I'd really like to try MPS5 too.

florian

299 posts

304 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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I've got Pilot Super Sport on mine. How does the Pilot Sport S 5 compare to it? Is it as sticky?

WayOutWest

1,229 posts

88 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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I went to 215/45 when I replaced on mine, so a tad wider and a bit more sidewall helps ride further. Added bonus of a few mm of extra ground clearance for the front spoiler.

Water Fairy

6,611 posts

185 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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When I see premium rubber on a cheap car I always mentally doff my cap


loudlashadjuster

6,442 posts

214 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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Ahh, Michelin's nonsense naming strategy...

Thankfully they seem to be attempting to sort it out with the new Michelin Pilot Sport S 5 (currently in very limited OEM-only fitments) which replaces the venerable Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S, which are not to be confused with Michelin Pilot Sport 4s which is the plural of the vanilla Michelin Pilot Sport 4.

Got it?

Edit: Fixed the MPSS5 nomenclature rolleyes

Edited by loudlashadjuster on Thursday 12th October 10:23

DS1086

37 posts

228 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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'I saw no reason to change from the 205/45 R17 Pilot Sport 4s' is referring to the plural of the Pilot Sport 4 tyre. Similar to how 'supplied a set of Pilot Sport 5s for the Mini' is referring to the plural of Pilot Sport 5.

Court_S

14,747 posts

207 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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Sound the car has had some money spent in the right places.

I do like that colour.

akirk

5,778 posts

144 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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Well I have the PS5 tyres on the mini now - seems better than the run flats and Chinese tyre mix I had previously!

Will see what it is like after I have the alignment checked tomorrow

Mr Tidy

31,536 posts

157 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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That's a good looking R56, especially in that colour!

TameRacingDriver

20,585 posts

302 months

Wednesday 11th October 2023
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cerb4.5lee said:
I remember the Michelin PS4 transforming my F56 Cooper S after the crappy Michelin Primacy 3 that it had on it from the factory(even Michelin can still make a crap tyre believe it or not then!).

I'm definitely a Michelin fanboy though, and I have MPS4 on the 370Z, MPSS on the F82 M4, plus MPS4S on the GLE400d!(although the tyres on that do cost an absolute fortune and the rears cost £510 each last time, and they are getting ready for new ones now as well yikes).

I'd really like to try MPS5 too.
Same here mate. When I had my old R53, the previous owner put 16s on it, good you might think, but I couldn't get the Pilot Sports in the right size, which annoyed me no end and made me consider putting 17s on it. Never got around to it, of course.

My current MX5 has PS4s all round, and they are just seriously good tyres in all conditions. The speed I can carry around bends in the dry is definitely amusing, although some may think them to have too much grip!

Mr Tidy

31,536 posts

157 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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TameRacingDriver said:
Same here mate. When I had my old R53, the previous owner put 16s on it, good you might think, but I couldn't get the Pilot Sports in the right size, which annoyed me no end and made me consider putting 17s on it. Never got around to it, of course.

My current MX5 has PS4s all round, and they are just seriously good tyres in all conditions. The speed I can carry around bends in the dry is definitely amusing, although some may think them to have too much grip!
You didn't miss much!

My BMW Z4M came with 19" wheels and MPSS tyres. I collected it on a cold drizzly December day and they felt like ditchfinders!

A few months later in warmer temperatures on dry days they were great, but I bought the car to use it all year.

I can't help thinking Michelins are over-rated.

alicrozier

562 posts

267 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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loudlashadjuster said:
Ahh, Michelin's nonsense naming strategy...

Thankfully they seem to be attempting to sort it out with the new Michelin Pilot Sport 5 S (currently in very limited OEM-only fitments) which replaces the venerable Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S, which are not to be confused with Michelin Pilot Sport 4s which is the plural of the vanilla Michelin Pilot Sport 4.

Got it?
Well not quite, if we ignore the plural lower case 's; mis-use and the EV and SUV variants you still get (I think this would be in order of increasing dry grip?):

Michelin Pilot Sport 4
Michelin Pilot Sport 5
Michelin Pilot Super Sport
Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
Michelin Pilot Sport 5S (limited sizes so far as you say)
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Connect
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R



loudlashadjuster

6,442 posts

214 months

Thursday 12th October 2023
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alicrozier said:
loudlashadjuster said:
Ahh, Michelin's nonsense naming strategy...

Thankfully they seem to be attempting to sort it out with the new Michelin Pilot Sport S 5 (currently in very limited OEM-only fitments) which replaces the venerable Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S, which are not to be confused with Michelin Pilot Sport 4s which is the plural of the vanilla Michelin Pilot Sport 4.

Got it?
Well not quite, if we ignore the plural lower case 's; mis-use and the EV and SUV variants you still get (I think this would be in order of increasing dry grip?):

Michelin Pilot Sport 4
Michelin Pilot Sport 5
Michelin Pilot Super Sport
Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
Michelin Pilot Sport 5S (limited sizes so far as you say)
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Connect
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R
Thanks. I am never really sure where the Super Sport slots in the range, other than the fact they're relatively cheap and I don't think I've ever heard anyone rave about them.

I also corrected the mistake I made in the Michelin Pilot Sport S 5 naming rolleyes