Water Softeners
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sjc

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16,419 posts

300 months

Sunday 4th September 2005
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Who's got one, are they any good, and do they help if you suffer from excema? Any particular type to recommend?
Ta in advance.

Monkey Boy 1

2,066 posts

261 months

Sunday 4th September 2005
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Not got one, but I live in an area of Hard water. East Anglia. People who live in hard water areas live longer than people who live in soft water areas. Drinking water that is.

Whit Soft water you need to use far less detergents/soaps for cleaning, which may help with skin disorders.
Life expectancy of appliances such as kettles, dishwashers & washing mashines are far longer with the use of soft water.

Softening household water supplies is not a decision to be made lightly. Factors to consider are family composition, stage in the family life cycle, lifestyle, health, maintenance of the equipment, and cost.


The obvious disadvantage to soft water is the level of sodium (salt) deposited in the water.


Potassium Chloride used in place of Sodium Chloride can reduce the levels of sodium in softened water. Anyone who has heart or circulatory problems, or on a low sodium diet should discuss the installation of a water softener with a physician.


There are 3 alternative methods are available to reduce sodium in softened water: reverse osmosis, distillation, and deionization. Discuss these alternatives with your plumbing contractor.

Researchers have found conflicting results relating the mineral content of water to the risk of cardiovascular disease. The risk appears lowest when the drinking water contains lots of minerals and highest when the water is soft. Consumers may want to consider installing a bypass to the kitchen water supply for cooking and drinking.


According to a report by the University of Kentucky, softened water also increases the potential for leaching heavy metal from pipes, solder, and plumbing fixtures. Increased levels of copper, lead, zinc, and cadmium are found in soft water, particularly when it stands overnight in the plumbing system. Heavy metal concentrations can exceed Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) primary drinking water standards, particularly for water standing overnight in brass plumbing fixtures and fittings.


Be sure to ask your plumber any questions

R988

7,495 posts

259 months

Sunday 4th September 2005
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I hit mine with a hammer, softens the bastard stuff right up

DocJock

8,722 posts

270 months

Sunday 4th September 2005
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There are no dietary issues with fitting a water softener because you fit a drinking/cooking water tap when you fit the softener which supplies unsoftened water.

Most people choose to have this fitted with a filter at the same time.

Ferg

15,242 posts

287 months

Sunday 4th September 2005
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Monkey Boy 1 said:

There are 3 alternative methods are available to reduce sodium in softened water: reverse osmosis, distillation, and deionization. Discuss these alternatives with your plumbing contractor.
Fair enough, but all are far more expensive and, in the case of RO, water wasteful!!! As posted elsewhere in this thread, if you use a hard water tap (to comply with the old BEWA code of practise) it's not an issue. As far as kettle elements go you are onto a loser unless using polyphospahte dosing, disposable filters loaded with ion exchange resin or one of the above methods.

richardlw

3,586 posts

267 months

Sunday 4th September 2005
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Get one - they make the washing machine last longer; the washing up easier; shaving even closer becomes possible; and the shower gel lathers up more and makes the missus even slipperier

Pigeon

18,535 posts

276 months

Sunday 4th September 2005
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The effect of soft vs. hard water on the life of washing machines is greatly exaggerated. Don't believe the Calgon advert - you wouldn't believe any other advert, would you? Heating element failures are pretty far down the list of things that go wrong with washing machines and I don't think I've ever seen one that I could categorically state was caused by scale. It's usually a localised manufacturing defect that has taken a few years to show up - a thin spot in the resistance wire causing localised overheating, or an inhomogeneity in the composition of the metal cladding causing localised corrosion - or the insignificant amount of earth leakage which all clad elements have increasing over time until it gets to the point where it trips the breaker. The same things go wrong with electric cooker elements where there is no water involved at all.

In any case, with the hot fill working and the low temperature wash cycles that are widely used these days, the heating element is hardly ever used.

Sometimes the drain pump department gets clogged with detached scale, but again it's not a significant problem compared to how often it gets clogged with threads/fluff/pennies/buttons/paperclips. In any case, this is operator error in not cleaning the filter. Me: "You're supposed to take this out and clean it every so often". Washing machine owner: "Really? I never knew that was there."

Soft water is also a real pain for washing with. No matter how little soap you use it's a real arseache trying to get it off again. On holiday in soft water areas, I've had to drain the bath and run another one with clean water just to get the soap off.

If you are thinking that the amount of soap you're using is making the eczema worse, I'd hazard a guess that soft water is exactly what you don't want. With no alkaline earths around to precipitate it out there's a lot more "active" soap around when you're washing in soft water. See the previous paragraph...

Also, soft water makes crap tea.

I'd save my money if I were you.