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Hi
Sorry – potentially a stupid question, but one that’s been bothering me. I don’t know watches, so appreciate the help.
Lining up for another decent watch and at the moment, I’m stuck between a choice of two.
Tudor Chronograph or Bremont Supermarine Chrono.
I like the look of both (obviously!) Both big watches, and hopefully indestructible.
The Bremont has the benefit of ‘British’, and being being local. It’s got the display back. I’m not particularly worried about losing money on it (it’s not an investment, it’s to wear), but the fact it’s on sale at the moment is slightly concerning (and last time I went in to try it on, I was offered 25% off without trying).
But a potential downside is the modified ETA 7754 vs an in-house (albeit Breitling-esque) movement. I’m not completely hung up on the movement, but as I get a decent watch once every 30 years, this may be my last chance to get a in-house one. At the moment, my main watch is using an ETA 2892-A2, so decent enough. But…if I got another ETA (albeit a Bremont modified one), am I always going to wondering about the Tudor movement? And apparently the Tudor movement is excellent; well worth the money.
Do I ignore the movement, and get the watch I like the most. Or do I go for the best movement I can get at that price point?
Thoughts? Anything else to think about?
Hopefully it’s not a subject that’s not too controversial.
Sorry – potentially a stupid question, but one that’s been bothering me. I don’t know watches, so appreciate the help.
Lining up for another decent watch and at the moment, I’m stuck between a choice of two.
Tudor Chronograph or Bremont Supermarine Chrono.
I like the look of both (obviously!) Both big watches, and hopefully indestructible.
The Bremont has the benefit of ‘British’, and being being local. It’s got the display back. I’m not particularly worried about losing money on it (it’s not an investment, it’s to wear), but the fact it’s on sale at the moment is slightly concerning (and last time I went in to try it on, I was offered 25% off without trying).
But a potential downside is the modified ETA 7754 vs an in-house (albeit Breitling-esque) movement. I’m not completely hung up on the movement, but as I get a decent watch once every 30 years, this may be my last chance to get a in-house one. At the moment, my main watch is using an ETA 2892-A2, so decent enough. But…if I got another ETA (albeit a Bremont modified one), am I always going to wondering about the Tudor movement? And apparently the Tudor movement is excellent; well worth the money.
Do I ignore the movement, and get the watch I like the most. Or do I go for the best movement I can get at that price point?
Thoughts? Anything else to think about?
Hopefully it’s not a subject that’s not too controversial.
Nothing wrong with the ETA; it’s a staple in the industry and is actually the backbone of many so-called in-house movements in any event. Notwithstanding that, an in-house label can restrict servicing options down the line.
As above, buy what you prefer (then come back and buy the other one in the future; it’s a slippery slope!)
Post pics
As above, buy what you prefer (then come back and buy the other one in the future; it’s a slippery slope!)
Post pics
Miguel Alvarez said:
Another vote for get the one you like looking at the most.
I’m probably wrong and happy to be corrected but I got the idea/impression/info from somewhere that a good chunk of “in house” movements are based off eta movements.
Again someone correct me if I’m way off base.
Yes they are. Since ETA restricted their supply somewhat, you also have companies like Selitta who produce movements based of ETA architecture and sell broadly to the industry.I’m probably wrong and happy to be corrected but I got the idea/impression/info from somewhere that a good chunk of “in house” movements are based off eta movements.
Again someone correct me if I’m way off base.
It wasn't common for Swiss watch companies to produce much in house. You had specialist dial makers, hand makers, case makers and so on they would supply brands - sometimes exclusively sometimes not.
Miguel Alvarez said:
good chunk of “in house” movements are based off eta movements
which is partly why I have a need for a proper in house one! Albeit one shared with Breitling, it is getting away from ETA.I realise I may be overthinking this....
As to a Zenith, all the ones I've seen are 8k+
petsco said:
As to a Zenith, all the ones I've seen are 8k+
Okay https://www.chrono24.co.uk/search/index.htm?countr...
tommy87912 said:
Buy a superocean heritage ii. B20. Tudor movement, Tudor five year warranty. Breitling styled watch. (If you like that).
Never really got on with Bremont, always seemed a bit fake swiss to me. Ymmv of course.
Not sure there’s much technically awry with their watch making; they’ve certainly had some stick about their marketing however, which is far more subjective. Never really got on with Bremont, always seemed a bit fake swiss to me. Ymmv of course.
Maybe more interesting than a typical Swiss mass-market offering as a result? Definitely less likely to walk into a pub full of wristalikes.
I think all the talk of in-house movements has got way over the top for any number of reasons. I'm reminded of a comment I read on Pistonheads ages ago saying that people often complained that the Jaguar X-Type was just a Mondeo underneath, with few stopping to consider the fact that the Mondeo chassis was actually very good in the first place.
Which brings me to ETA. What's wrong with having an ETA movement? They're some of the most copied movements going because they're very good.
There's mention on the thread of the Zenith El Primero, which has seen service in a few different brand's watches including Rolex. Is it only a desirable movement when it's in a Zenith?
How in-house is any new movement design? It's not as if when someone joins Omega they blast themselves with a mind ray that deletes everything they know about watchmaking, they're then given a blank sheet of paper and come up with new design entirely from scratch that happens to have a mainspring, gear train, escapement etc etc. All mechanical movements made today are variations, modifications and evolutions of what's gone before.
Would you be put off if your car had Brembo brakes or a Momo steering wheel and replace them with inhouse parts?
I'm not saying that inhouse movements aren't desirable and a couple of my watches have them which is great. I just think that a bit of perspective has been lost along the way. I'm currently wearing my IWC Portugieser, which is my favourtie watch desite only being a modded ETA movement
Which brings me to ETA. What's wrong with having an ETA movement? They're some of the most copied movements going because they're very good.
There's mention on the thread of the Zenith El Primero, which has seen service in a few different brand's watches including Rolex. Is it only a desirable movement when it's in a Zenith?
How in-house is any new movement design? It's not as if when someone joins Omega they blast themselves with a mind ray that deletes everything they know about watchmaking, they're then given a blank sheet of paper and come up with new design entirely from scratch that happens to have a mainspring, gear train, escapement etc etc. All mechanical movements made today are variations, modifications and evolutions of what's gone before.
Would you be put off if your car had Brembo brakes or a Momo steering wheel and replace them with inhouse parts?
I'm not saying that inhouse movements aren't desirable and a couple of my watches have them which is great. I just think that a bit of perspective has been lost along the way. I'm currently wearing my IWC Portugieser, which is my favourtie watch desite only being a modded ETA movement
Bremont offers may be because they are launching new dive watches (presumably in the Supermarine range). I think they go live at 0900 tomorrow.
You won't make any money on a Bremont unless it's a limited edition that ends up in demand (like the P-51). But if you want a solid, well made, accurate watch to actually wear and enjoy, you could do worse. As for movements, the ETA in my MBII is the most accurate in my collection.
You won't make any money on a Bremont unless it's a limited edition that ends up in demand (like the P-51). But if you want a solid, well made, accurate watch to actually wear and enjoy, you could do worse. As for movements, the ETA in my MBII is the most accurate in my collection.
And that is what I'm after; accuracy. My watch with an ETA movement is excellent, and rarely seems to lose more than a second a day. I just want to be able to put it on and not have to worry whether it's accurate or not.
There are the new Dive watches coming out; I'm being inundated with invitations to the opening. And no, it's not about making money. That is something I really do not care about. A watch is to be worn, not stored in a drawer and sold again in 15 years (obv my views!).
There are the new Dive watches coming out; I'm being inundated with invitations to the opening. And no, it's not about making money. That is something I really do not care about. A watch is to be worn, not stored in a drawer and sold again in 15 years (obv my views!).
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