RE: Stellantis definitely not done with engines yet
RE: Stellantis definitely not done with engines yet
Friday 20th October 2023

Stellantis definitely not done with engines yet

Incoming 520hp twin-turbo straight-six is merely the tip of 'growing capacity' combustion iceberg


Stellantis, the corporation that encompasses 14 brands and ranks as the world’s fourth-largest carmaker, has been bullish recently about its electrification roadmap. In the aftermath of the UK’s decision to delay the ban on new petrol and diesel car sales, it was one of the manufacturers that repeated its commitment to ending the sale of combustion engines in Europe by 2030 - regardless of what legislators might be inclined to say or do. But the world is a large and complicated place. And while it claims to be on track to launch 75 EVs globally by the end of the decade, the firm has just this week confirmed that it is continuing to invest in future combustion engines in the face of increasing demand. 

Speaking to its plans for electrification, Micky Bly, senior vice president and head of global propulsion systems, said: "We have to balance this approach. ICE is here to stay for a period of time. We are growing capacity, adding capacity, for South America, the Middle East and Europe and Asia Pacific." Bly explained that the merger of PSA and FCA had left the firm with ‘a lot of engines’ and it had been necessary to rapidly streamline the lineup, especially where units were ‘not performing well on our CO2 roadmap’. This process accounts for the demise of the much-loved 6.4-litre Hemi V8. 

“The Hemi doesn't have all the attributes we needed. We could go and redo the Hemi, but we realized we needed to downsize the engine and bring up the power." The solution is ‘Hurricane’, the 3.0-litre twin-turbo straight-six Stellantis unveiled last year. Automotive News confirmed that a more powerful derivative (in ‘standard’ format it produces more than 400hp) is set to deliver 520hp - although Bly suggested that the development team had extracted an even larger output from the unit, “we just haven’t released it yet”. 

Needless to say, that engine will provide the centrepiece for the next generation of musclebound Dodge, Chrysler and Ram products - but interestingly Bly confirmed that Hurricane would also spawn a new 2.0-litre four-cylinder engine, which ought to lend itself more readily to global applications. Additionally, Stellantis plans to introduce a three-cylinder unit in North America based on ‘an existing European engine’. Oil burners aren’t dead either, with “a low-displacement diesel and a big diesel that's coming in the future." Fewer combustion powertrains then, and smaller certainly - but absolutely relevant to the hereafter. “We have to do it all,” conceded Bly.


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Gecko1978

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12,302 posts

187 months

Friday 20th October 2023
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So a compact 3.0 maybe with some hybrid tech to give it 30.miles of ev range and we could have a proper modern muscel car.

ManyMotors

1,106 posts

128 months

Friday 20th October 2023
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Stellantis seems to have a reasonable approach to having electric and ICE offerings. We'll find out in a few years if that was correct.

GT9

9,016 posts

202 months

Friday 20th October 2023
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ManyMotors said:
Stellantis seems to have a reasonable approach to having electric and ICE offerings. We'll find out in a few years if that was correct.
No ICEs in Europe after 2030 regardless of bans….
Doesn’t seem that ‘reasonable’ to me?

dvs_dave

9,040 posts

255 months

Friday 20th October 2023
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This engine debuted a while ago in the US market Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer. By all accounts it’s an impressive engine and it’ll be going in literally everything from RAM pickups, JEEP, Dodge etc.

In the US only CA and NY and a few others have or are expecting to enact an ICE ban, but outside of Europe, not many other places I’m aware of. So from a global perspective, ICE isn’t going anywhere for a good while yet, certainly not with respect to any sort of mandates.

D4rez

1,668 posts

86 months

Friday 20th October 2023
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dvs_dave said:
This engine debuted a while ago in the US market Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer. By all accounts it’s an impressive engine and it’ll be going in literally everything from RAM pickups, JEEP, Dodge etc.

In the US only CA and NY and a few others have or are expecting to enact an ICE ban, but outside of Europe, not many other places I’m aware of. So from a global perspective, ICE isn’t going anywhere for a good while yet, certainly not with respect to any sort of mandates.
Sort of also sort of not, 9 states have outright banned ICE and that's 25% of the US population but more interestingly take a look at this from the EPA which mandates a more than 50% fall in CO2 from 2027 to 2032 (2027 already massively lower than today). - Page 99 because it's quite long. The OEMs have to achieve that or face gigantic fines. How does the EPA think they will do that - EVs per the document.

China is also Full Hybrid or EV from 2035 and to be fair they're already at 26% market share for EV.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2023-05-05/...

ManyMotors

1,106 posts

128 months

Friday 20th October 2023
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GT9 said:
ManyMotors said:
Stellantis seems to have a reasonable approach to having electric and ICE offerings. We'll find out in a few years if that was correct.
No ICEs in Europe after 2030 regardless of bans….
Doesn’t seem that ‘reasonable’ to me?
GT9, I understand. Yet there are already bleats, at least in the US, by the auto industry that they may not be able to achieve such standards. Also, per my read, the EU standard is zero emission vehicles by 2035. By 2030, average emissions must be decreased by 55%. Some small volume manufacturers, like Pagani, will be able to skip the requirement. So maybe that 2036 104 GTB will be quite popular.

Darnoc95

516 posts

60 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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dvs_dave said:
This engine debuted a while ago in the US market Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer. By all accounts it’s an impressive engine and it’ll be going in literally everything from RAM pickups, JEEP, Dodge etc.

In the US only CA and NY and a few others have or are expecting to enact an ICE ban, but outside of Europe, not many other places I’m aware of. So from a global perspective, ICE isn’t going anywhere for a good while yet, certainly not with respect to any sort of mandates.
Pretty sure India is looking to ban Ice from 2027 on most 4 wheel vehicles

Frimley111R

19,253 posts

264 months

Tuesday 24th October 2023
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Darnoc95 said:
Pretty sure India is looking to ban Ice from 2027 on most 4 wheel vehicles
You can only imagine the fun they'll have with their 'interesting' approach to electrical supplies when they need to start putting chargers everywhere!

nismo48

7,095 posts

237 months

Wednesday 25th October 2023
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Frimley111R said:
Darnoc95 said:
Pretty sure India is looking to ban Ice from 2027 on most 4 wheel vehicles
You can only imagine the fun they'll have with their 'interesting' approach to electrical supplies when they need to start putting chargers everywhere!
biglaugh