Poor Design (I think anyway)
Poor Design (I think anyway)
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oldagepensioner

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562 posts

58 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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On the A249 Sheppey crossing southbound going uphill.I was following a BMW last night as it came to a stop.Anyone who knows this road also knows that it is currently coned off down to one lane due to some major roadworks.It turns out that this model has an engine cut out linked to the oil level sensor which will cut in even if the car is on the move which in this case could have caused a major hold up.Most of the cars were able to drive round via the coned off area but not the lorry.To her credit the driver knew what to do but this was after dark and she had her 8 year old son with her who was scared out of his mind.I get why the system is there but to my mind it would be better if it would not let the car restart after coming to a stop and the engine has been turned off.

Deranged Rover

4,673 posts

104 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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Read it four times.

Still don't understand.

iphonedyou

10,416 posts

187 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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Ninety minutes at fan 180. Wrap it in foil and let it rest for ten minutes afterwards.

119

20,054 posts

66 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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oldagepensioner said:
On the A249 Sheppey crossing southbound going uphill.I was following a BMW last night as it came to a stop.

Anyone who knows this road also knows that it is currently coned off down to one lane due to some major roadworks.

It turns out that this model has an engine cut out linked to the oil level sensor which will cut in even if the car is on the move which in this case could have caused a major hold up.

Most of the cars were able to drive round via the coned off area but not the lorry.To her credit the driver knew what to do but this was after dark and she had her 8 year old son with her who was scared out of his mind.

I get why the system is there but to my mind it would be better if it would not let the car restart after coming to a stop and the engine has been turned off.
Bit easier on the eye.

s94wht

2,217 posts

89 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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Deranged Rover said:
Read it four times.

Still don't understand.
I think this must have been written by a machine learning language model.

Hereward

5,115 posts

260 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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oldagepensioner said:
...this model has an engine cut out linked to the oil level sensor which will cut in even if the car is on the move...
Is this really true? So the car could switch itself off in the outside lane of a motorway? That court case could be interesting.

jfdi

1,334 posts

205 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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iphonedyou said:
Ninety minutes at fan 180. Wrap it in foil and let it rest for ten minutes afterwards.
But should I cover it in oil or not? If so what level should the oil be at?

mwstewart

8,569 posts

218 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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Unfortunately in engine terms there's no waiting if oil pressure is low. Its a case of fit a protection system like this, or not bother at all and just rely on a warning light (mostly useless).

Hopefully the system allows a shift to neutral for coasting and there's some guidance in the owner's manual for such a scenario.

Scrump

23,940 posts

188 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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oil level or oil pressure?

zedx19

3,050 posts

170 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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Many, many years ago I purchased a 306 GTi-6 privately, then proceeded to drive it 200 mile home. Midway through the journey, during torrential rain, in the outside lane of the motorway the oil light flashed on, by the time I got to the hard shoulder the engine had seized. Having the engine shut off before seizing would have been fantastic, rather than having it recovered, sourcing a replacement engine and fitting it. For anyone interested, sump plug fell out, hadn't been torqued correctly during previous service, so it all got resolved in the end. Whether you're driving along with no oil and the engine seizes, or the engine shuts off because it detects low oil, you're still in difficulty.

mikeyr

3,399 posts

223 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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Guess it depends on what actually happens, if car cruises to a halt then not a bad idea compared to engine seizing (is that likely outcome of no oil making it around the system)? From your description it sounds like the owner had experienced same issue before?


Xenoous

2,455 posts

88 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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I already have a headache. Reading this made it worse. frown

HD Adam

5,155 posts

214 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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So it be onto this

MikeM6

6,057 posts

132 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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zedx19 said:
Many, many years ago I purchased a 306 GTi-6 privately, then proceeded to drive it 200 mile home. Midway through the journey, during torrential rain, in the outside lane of the motorway the oil light flashed on, by the time I got to the hard shoulder the engine had seized. Having the engine shut off before seizing would have been fantastic, rather than having it recovered, sourcing a replacement engine and fitting it. For anyone interested, sump plug fell out, hadn't been torqued correctly during previous service, so it all got resolved in the end. Whether you're driving along with no oil and the engine seizes, or the engine shuts off because it detects low oil, you're still in difficulty.
Glad it's not just me that saw the flaw in the original post.

The car is going to stop without oil (pressure). Might as well have it stop before catastrophic engine failure. How would having the engine seize be any more preferable to it switching itself off?

Leptons

5,493 posts

206 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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Very, very almost lorry.

brillomaster

1,875 posts

200 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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i think id rather be on the hard shoulder with a grenaded engine than have a cut out, but not seized engine, but be stuck in L3 of a busy motorway.

engines are replaceable, lives are not.

BertBert

21,275 posts

241 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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zedx19 said:
Many, many years ago I purchased a 306 GTi-6 privately, then proceeded to drive it 200 mile home. Midway through the journey, during torrential rain, in the outside lane of the motorway the oil light flashed on, by the time I got to the hard shoulder the engine had seized. Having the engine shut off before seizing would have been fantastic, rather than having it recovered, sourcing a replacement engine and fitting it. For anyone interested, sump plug fell out, hadn't been torqued correctly during previous service, so it all got resolved in the end. Whether you're driving along with no oil and the engine seizes, or the engine shuts off because it detects low oil, you're still in difficulty.
I bet that made the outside lane interesting for the people behind!

MikeM6

6,057 posts

132 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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brillomaster said:
i think id rather be on the hard shoulder with a grenaded engine than have a cut out, but not seized engine, but be stuck in L3 of a busy motorway.

engines are replaceable, lives are not.
In both scenarios the engine stops unexpectedly and you will be relying on whatever momentum you had to get to the hard shoulder, if there is one.

GroundEffect

13,864 posts

186 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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On who's authority are we saying this is a feature of their engine protection control strategy?

Simply that oil pressure goes below a threshold and it shuts off? Who's tested that this is the case?

To the point about safety - removing torque availability when there's potential for catastrophic damage (or worse) is standard practice in the industry and considered Failing Safe (i.e. there are other examples like dual clutch transmission issues where they will go open-clutch if certain things happen - this is considered safe in all scenarios).







oldagepensioner

Original Poster:

562 posts

58 months

Monday 23rd October 2023
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Hereward said:
oldagepensioner said:
...this model has an engine cut out linked to the oil level sensor which will cut in even if the car is on the move...
Is this really true? So the car could switch itself off in the outside lane of a motorway? That court case could be interesting.
This is exactly what happened so i can only think that the oil level sensor must be towards the front of the oil pan so that as the car travelled uphill the oil ran towards the back and away from the sensor.As soon as the driver topped up the oil she was able start the car again so i suppose your motorway scenario could happen?