Mobile van, mobile phone detection cameras.
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lancslad58 said:
Raspi69 said:
Does anyone know what distance one of the new mobile van mobile phone detection cameras can detect not wearing a seat belt or using a mobile phone?
Depends upon the weather and time of day, what was it when you think you may have been caught?GasEngineer said:
lancslad58 said:
Raspi69 said:
Does anyone know what distance one of the new mobile van mobile phone detection cameras can detect not wearing a seat belt or using a mobile phone?
Depends upon the weather and time of day, what was it when you think you may have been caught?I suspect that agtlaw has given the right info (though he always makes the OP do a little bit of work for the full answer).
https://www.acusensus.com/solutions/heads-up/
It would seem that it needs to look down through the windscreen, so, if it is that type detection range is just that as you go under the gantry.
If it is van based, it isn't going to see much unless you have you phone held to your ear.
All the offenders I see usually have the phone in their lap (because no one will notice them looking down rather than where they are going, and having their faces lit up!).
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GasEngineer said:
lancslad58 said:
Raspi69 said:
Does anyone know what distance one of the new mobile van mobile phone detection cameras can detect not wearing a seat belt or using a mobile phone?
Depends upon the weather and time of day, what was it when you think you may have been caught?I suspect that agtlaw has given the right info (though he always makes the OP do a little bit of work for the full answer).
https://www.acusensus.com/solutions/heads-up/
It would seem that it needs to look down through the windscreen, so, if it is that type detection range is just that as you go under the gantry.
If it is van based, it isn't going to see much unless you have you phone held to your ear.
All the offenders I see usually have the phone in their lap (because no one will notice them looking down rather than where they are going, and having their faces lit up!).
Sorry I have not replied sooner - I had to wait 14 days before i could reply as I was a new user of the forum.
It was an Acusensus camera van.
I was stuck in traffic and my sat nav App on my phone ( which is held in a vent mount ) said use alternate route and as soon as I clicked yes i was in line of the mobile camera van and thought it could of possibly got a pic just as i touched my phone screen.
It was a clear evening and the camera van was just around a bend so you couldn't see it from a long way off.
I have just read on the gov site, but it doesn't say if you can touch the screen only says do not hold them
https://www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phones-when-drivin...
"Using devices hands-free
You can use devices with hands-free access, as long as you do NOT HOLD them at any time during usage. Hands-free access means using, for example:
a Bluetooth headset
voice command
a dashboard holder or mat
a windscreen mount
a built-in sat nav
The device must not block your view of the road and traffic ahead."
It was an Acusensus camera van.
I was stuck in traffic and my sat nav App on my phone ( which is held in a vent mount ) said use alternate route and as soon as I clicked yes i was in line of the mobile camera van and thought it could of possibly got a pic just as i touched my phone screen.
It was a clear evening and the camera van was just around a bend so you couldn't see it from a long way off.
I have just read on the gov site, but it doesn't say if you can touch the screen only says do not hold them
https://www.gov.uk/using-mobile-phones-when-drivin...
"Using devices hands-free
You can use devices with hands-free access, as long as you do NOT HOLD them at any time during usage. Hands-free access means using, for example:
a Bluetooth headset
voice command
a dashboard holder or mat
a windscreen mount
a built-in sat nav
The device must not block your view of the road and traffic ahead."
I’m no expert, however I’d understood that’s there’s specific legislation prohibiting holding your phone to use it while driving on a road. If the phone is in a cradle / holder then you don’t fall foul of this particular piece of legislation by touching the screen to use the phone while driving. You could always be prosecuted for some sort of due care / attention offence if using your phone had distracted you even if it was in a cradle, but I suggest this is less likely. I have to admit I do touch my phone screen sometimes whilst it’s in the holder when driving. Hence interested in someone more expert than I confirming whether I’ve understood this correctly.
Oceanrower said:
You’ve said it was in a cradle. Therefore you weren’t holding it.
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djohnson said:
I’m no expert, however I’d understood that’s there’s specific legislation prohibiting holding your phone to use it while driving on a road. If the phone is in a cradle / holder then you don’t fall foul of this particular piece of legislation by touching the screen to use the phone while driving. You could always be prosecuted for some sort of due care / attention offence if using your phone had distracted you even if it was in a cradle, but I suggest this is less likely. I have to admit I do touch my phone screen sometimes whilst it’s in the holder when driving. Hence interested in someone more expert than I confirming whether I’ve understood this correctly.
I also read this from this web site :- https://www.confused.com/car-insurance/guides/mobi...“Set the sat nav before you start your journey. If you want to change details or make any adjustments then find a safe place to stop first.”
Touching your phone for any reason while you're driving counts as 'using' it which is against the law.
He goes on to say:
“Any physical interaction with it will be ‘using it’. Officers will also consider the alternative offences of not having proper control over a vehicle and driving without due care and consideration.”
Edited by Raspi69 on Wednesday 8th November 10:28
Raspi69 said:
I also read this from this web site :- https://www.confused.com/car-insurance/guides/mobi...
“Set the sat nav before you start your journey. If you want to change details or make any adjustments then find a safe place to stop first.”
Touching your phone for any reason while you're driving counts as 'using' it which is against the law.
He goes on to say:
“Any physical interaction with it will be ‘using it’. Officers will also consider the alternative offences of not having proper control over a vehicle and driving without due care and consideration.”
Only last sentence is true. The rest is b“Set the sat nav before you start your journey. If you want to change details or make any adjustments then find a safe place to stop first.”
Touching your phone for any reason while you're driving counts as 'using' it which is against the law.
He goes on to say:
“Any physical interaction with it will be ‘using it’. Officers will also consider the alternative offences of not having proper control over a vehicle and driving without due care and consideration.”
ks.To be fair you've done the right thing by asking for clarification here but as a general rule I would strongly advise against using insurance comparison websites for legal advice.
deckster said:
Only last sentence is true. The rest is bks.
To be fair you've done the right thing by asking for clarification here but as a general rule I would strongly advise against using insurance comparison websites for legal advice.
Thank you ks.To be fair you've done the right thing by asking for clarification here but as a general rule I would strongly advise against using insurance comparison websites for legal advice.
There were quite a few sites that said the same thing and that was just the one link i copied any info from.
LunarOne said:
Yep, no offence committed as long as the phone was held by something other than you and you were not distracted by it.
One thing I'm not clear on is whether only holding it in your hand is the issue, or holding it with your lap would also be counted as an infringement.
Now having it on your lap is another question lolOne thing I'm not clear on is whether only holding it in your hand is the issue, or holding it with your lap would also be counted as an infringement.
These seems to give a good description about what you can and cant do :-
https://www.askthe.police.uk/faq/?id=ac2e6341-7ac9...
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/legal/mobile-ph...
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